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Mar 18, 2020, 12:20 am
#841
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I'm going to copy an article posted by Flitben in in the "Coronavirus: Fact-based" forum. This looks pretty promising
China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus
16 hours ago
China's government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.
He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects.
The director said the tests were conducted in the cities of Wuhan and Shenzhen and involved 240 patients and 80 patients respectively.
He said those who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, while it took a median of 11 days for those without the drug.
The trial also found that X-ray photos confirmed improvements in lung conditions in about 91 percent of the patients who were given the medicine. The number stood at 62 percent for those without the drug.
The director said the drug is highly safe and its effect is obvious, and formally recommend the use of the medicine as a way to tackle the virus.
Here's the link https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/
China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus
16 hours ago
China's government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.
He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects.
The director said the tests were conducted in the cities of Wuhan and Shenzhen and involved 240 patients and 80 patients respectively.
He said those who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, while it took a median of 11 days for those without the drug.
The trial also found that X-ray photos confirmed improvements in lung conditions in about 91 percent of the patients who were given the medicine. The number stood at 62 percent for those without the drug.
The director said the drug is highly safe and its effect is obvious, and formally recommend the use of the medicine as a way to tackle the virus.
Here's the link https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/
Last edited by rickg523; Mar 18, 2020 at 12:28 am
Mar 18, 2020, 2:09 am
#842
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Nobody is saying we are going to self-quarantine for 18 months! Nobody thinks this will be eliminated any time soon.
The goal is to SLOW DOWN the spread so our medical system can attempt to handle the added load. Once we drag this out, there will be better treatment and eventually vaccine.
The goal is to SLOW DOWN the spread so our medical system can attempt to handle the added load. Once we drag this out, there will be better treatment and eventually vaccine.
Mar 18, 2020, 3:23 am
#846
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As far as the lockdowns are concerned, there is one thing I have learned. Do not dismiss anything as impossible.
Mere weeks ago, it would have been unthinkable in Western Europe for people to be banned from travelling from one part of a country to another. They are. Then it was unthinkable that people would be banned from going out for a coffee. They are. Then it was unthinkable that people would be banned from visiting their boyfriend or girlfriend. They are.
We are now seeing police flying drones in Spain to check that people are not going for an illicit walk on a deserted beach. In France, you need a certificate to be allowed to go and buy a loaf of bread.
Just days ago, I was pilloried for describing the lockdowns as "house arrest". House arrest is now a reality. Now people are talking in terms of Martial Law. That is going to be a reality soon as well.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this, I am genuinely concerned about what implications this precedent has for the future.
Mere weeks ago, it would have been unthinkable in Western Europe for people to be banned from travelling from one part of a country to another. They are. Then it was unthinkable that people would be banned from going out for a coffee. They are. Then it was unthinkable that people would be banned from visiting their boyfriend or girlfriend. They are.
We are now seeing police flying drones in Spain to check that people are not going for an illicit walk on a deserted beach. In France, you need a certificate to be allowed to go and buy a loaf of bread.
Just days ago, I was pilloried for describing the lockdowns as "house arrest". House arrest is now a reality. Now people are talking in terms of Martial Law. That is going to be a reality soon as well.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this, I am genuinely concerned about what implications this precedent has for the future.
Mar 18, 2020, 3:47 am
#847
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Mar 18, 2020, 4:10 am
#848
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I'm going to copy an article posted by Flitben in in the "Coronavirus: Fact-based" forum. This looks pretty promising
China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus
16 hours ago
China's government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.
He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects.
The director said the tests were conducted in the cities of Wuhan and Shenzhen and involved 240 patients and 80 patients respectively.
He said those who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, while it took a median of 11 days for those without the drug.
The trial also found that X-ray photos confirmed improvements in lung conditions in about 91 percent of the patients who were given the medicine. The number stood at 62 percent for those without the drug.
The director said the drug is highly safe and its effect is obvious, and formally recommend the use of the medicine as a way to tackle the virus.
Here's the link https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/
China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus
16 hours ago
China's government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.
He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects.
The director said the tests were conducted in the cities of Wuhan and Shenzhen and involved 240 patients and 80 patients respectively.
He said those who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, while it took a median of 11 days for those without the drug.
The trial also found that X-ray photos confirmed improvements in lung conditions in about 91 percent of the patients who were given the medicine. The number stood at 62 percent for those without the drug.
The director said the drug is highly safe and its effect is obvious, and formally recommend the use of the medicine as a way to tackle the virus.
Here's the link https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/
Mar 18, 2020, 4:20 am
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A few hours ago I was reading about a North African IT company head who was not taking the coronavirus situation seriously and still trying to travel. Last I heard, he was stuck in the transit zone of BRU for 30+ hours and still unable to get to where he was headed and unable to return to from where he came. Maybe now he will take the situation more seriously, even if he still doesn't care about the health risks to himself and others.
Mar 18, 2020, 5:44 am
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If someone is a loner and has no relatives, loved ones and friends who want to see the person, then the danger zone for such persons may come from someone else. But even for the loners, travel isn't without its risks from this virus situation. Not only can a person get sick or make others sick during the course of travel, the person may end up stuck during the travels in a way that isn't desirable even to a loner traveling -- as with the changing entry rules, changing screening and quarantine practices, and slashing of scheduled commercial passenger transport systems putting some people in limbo when and where they least expected it.
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Mar 18, 2020, 5:58 am
#851
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We are now seeing police flying drones in Spain to check that people are not going for an illicit walk on a deserted beach. In France, you need a certificate to be allowed to go and buy a loaf of bread.
Just days ago, I was pilloried for describing the lockdowns as "house arrest". House arrest is now a reality. Now people are talking in terms of Martial Law. That is going to be a reality soon as well.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this, I am genuinely concerned about what implications this precedent has for the future.
What concerns me are those who are already talking about how great all this is as it protects the environment, and that the previous system was just a rat race, and the current system is healthier as we are spending time with our families. Or watching hours of movies or playing video games
My feed is full of people talking about great it is to work from home and not have to worry about commuting. Others are talking about how schooling for kids is old fashioned and keeping them at home and e-learning is technologically advanced
its one thing to go through a bad situation, another to see so many people praise the current measures as if they are hoping it becomes permanent
I can imagine so many governments would be so happy to never worry about elections ever again.
Mar 18, 2020, 6:28 am
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Are these extreme measures? Yes
What concerns me are those who are already talking about how great all this is as it protects the environment, and that the previous system was just a rat race, and the current system is healthier as we are spending time with our families. Or watching hours of movies or playing video games
My feed is full of people talking about great it is to work from home and not have to worry about commuting. Others are talking about how schooling for kids is old fashioned and keeping them at home and e-learning is technologically advanced
its one thing to go through a bad situation, another to see so many people praise the current measures as if they are hoping it becomes permanent
I can imagine so many governments would be so happy to never worry about elections ever again.
What concerns me are those who are already talking about how great all this is as it protects the environment, and that the previous system was just a rat race, and the current system is healthier as we are spending time with our families. Or watching hours of movies or playing video games
My feed is full of people talking about great it is to work from home and not have to worry about commuting. Others are talking about how schooling for kids is old fashioned and keeping them at home and e-learning is technologically advanced
its one thing to go through a bad situation, another to see so many people praise the current measures as if they are hoping it becomes permanent
I can imagine so many governments would be so happy to never worry about elections ever again.
Mar 18, 2020, 6:41 am
#853
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Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 676
As if the situation will be up to you. You can talk a big game about exercising your freedom to travel but all governments will determine FOR YOU when and if it is appropriate
Mar 18, 2020, 6:50 am
#854
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hong Kong
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1. Fly into YVR and book a direct flight to SAN from there.
2. Eat the cost and book a direct flight from NRT to SAN on JAL. Luckily I am in a position to be able to eat the cost and buy an expensive fare from Japan, either was AS points or just outright.
Can any Canadians give me insight on how prepared/precautions taken at YVR?
2. Eat the cost and book a direct flight from NRT to SAN on JAL. Luckily I am in a position to be able to eat the cost and buy an expensive fare from Japan, either was AS points or just outright.
Can any Canadians give me insight on how prepared/precautions taken at YVR?
Mar 18, 2020, 7:01 am
#855
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Thought we told you several days ago that governments will arm twist private companies to stop people from traveling. Maybe it is not closing gas stations but they did find a way