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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:27 am
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What difference does that make?
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by magiciansampras
I don't think anyone is arguing they don't have that right. I'm arguing that it is distasteful, however. Not everyone who flies CO agrees with USA's politics or sees US military in a good light.
Please explain just how buying a service member a beverage equates with support of "USA's politics" or or giving the "US military" a pass on its performance?

Buying a service member a drink merely shows the company's appreciation for the sacrifices a service member makes by simply choosing to serve.

How on earth is that distasteful?

One can certainly support our troops without supporting the polices of our government. I'd wager that a good number of those how serve don't support all of the polices of our government. You'd kind of hope that a thinking person will always have certain reservations about their government; our form of government gives us that right, duty and privilege.

What is distasteful is equating choosing to serve with some sort of lock step agreement of the politics of one's country. That's the kind of thinking that got folks returning from Vietnam spat upon.

I am very proud that CO made a very small gesture to support those who support all of us, even those who find that support distasteful.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:34 am
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Surprisingly wound up with alot of personalized attention and compliments from the cabin crew (even had a female f/a try to pick me up, but that's neither here nor there ), so I guess our Army is appreciated in places one wouldn't expect it.
Now that's the type of inflight service I think we could all support ^
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:37 am
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Should firefighters, policeman, and skyscraper window-washers also get free drinks on CO? All of these jobs are those in which folks put their lives on the line each day.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:38 am
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Just be thankful CO staff don't go the extreme of some of Delta's ATL agents who knowingly bump military personnel into F, often at the expense of Elites and sometimes even bumping paid F back to Y and then using public 'guilt' to berate the unhappy passenger in front of other customers to make them accept their fate.

I agree with the other posters - there are a host of professionals who risk their lives or use special skills to save others. I appreciate the sacrifice and hard work of ALL these people, but I do not support singling out one group over another for special treatment.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by Plus1
Please explain just how buying a service member a beverage equates with support of "USA's politics" or or giving the "US military" a pass on its performance?
How doesn't it? It shows preferential treatment for a certain class of passengers that represent the USA.

Would CO give free drinks to a French soldier?

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Buying a service member a drink merely shows the company's appreciation for the sacrifices a service member makes by simply choosing to serve.

How on earth is that distasteful?
What if I'm Serbian? These are the same servicemen and women that bombed my hometown of Belgrade. If I'm a Serb I'm conceivably giving my money to CO to get me from A to B, not to serve me propaganda about how great USA's militarymen and women are.


Originally Posted by Plus1
One can certainly support our troops without supporting the polices of our government. I'd wager that a good number of those how serve don't support all of the polices of our government. You'd kind of hope that a thinking person will always have certain reservations about their government; our form of government gives us that right, duty and privilege.
It doesn't matter. It's not CO's place to be privileging a certain class of passengers.


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What is distasteful is equating choosing to serve with some sort of lock step agreement of the politics of one's country. That's the kind of thinking that got folks returning from Vietnam spat upon.

I am very proud that CO made a very small gesture to support those who support all of us, even those who find that support distasteful.
And I'm happy that we can discuss this in a calm and rational way. I just simply disagree.

And don't get me wrong, I like the troops just as much as the next guy. I just don't feel like CO should be performing this particular act.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:41 am
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Because they don't put their lives on the line!
As do police officers, fire fighters, and various other professions.


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These are men and women who chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way in one way or another for the good of our country.
I'm sure some did. Just as some enlist for the money, benefits, or other perks. Everyone has his or her own motives.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Just be thankful CO staff don't go the extreme of some of Delta's ATL agents who knowingly bump military personnel into F, often at the expense of Elites and sometimes even bumping paid F back to Y and then using public 'guilt' to berate the unhappy passenger in front of other customers to make them accept their fate.
Agreed. This is irritating and has happened to me on a UA flight before.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:51 am
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Bravo to my company for doing this. We do this all the time for Elites or anyone else we give drink vouchers to. I am sure you can find many posts about how Elites have gotten their wallet candy but zero drinks chits and have complained mightly about it.

For those men and women that put on the uniform of the US service, I salute you for keeping me free and protecting my country.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by magiciansampras
How doesn't it? It shows preferential treatment for a certain class of passengers that represent the USA.

Would CO give free drinks to a French soldier?
Is CO a French carrier? I'd certainly expect Air France to give free drinks French soldiers.

Originally Posted by magiciansampras
What if I'm Serbian? These are the same servicemen and women that bombed my hometown of Belgrade. If I'm a Serb I'm conceivably giving my money to CO to get me from A to B, not to serve me propaganda about how great USA's militarymen and women are.
The bombing of Belgrade was a NATO operation. I don't recall CO being part of that particular alliance,


Originally Posted by magiciansampras
It's not CO's place to be privileging a certain class of passengers.
It's certainly their place. They do it every day with Elite passengers. Why, because it's good for business. If they think buying drink for US servicemen and woman is also good for business, then that's what they need to do to provide value for their stockholders.

If the stockholders don't agree, then they have a forum to address those issues.

Originally Posted by magiciansampras
And I'm happy that we can discuss this in a calm and rational way. I just simply disagree.

And don't get me wrong, I like the troops just as much as the next guy. I just don't feel like CO should be performing this particular act.
As a US flagged carrier, they certainly should be performing this particular act. As a vendor for the US, they should certainly be performing this particular act. As a public business that operates in the US, they should be performing an act that is good for the bottom line.

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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by elitetraveler
Now that's the type of inflight service I think we could all support ^
Believe me, I would've supported it too if I didn't have to be somewhere for business. I've been kicking myself for that one ever since (the sad look on her face haunts me in my sleep, ha ha).

To those who point out incidents where GA's upgraded military at the expense of elites/paid F, that is extremely jacked up and I hope that the GA's in question would've been called out on it. Heck, I would've hemmed them up if I'd have seen it. This bit with a few beers is a different scenario, though, that doesn't impact a defined FF benefit, but rather buys alot of goodwill/potential future business at relatively little expense to CO.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by Plus1
Is CO a French carrier? I'd certainly expect Air France to give free drinks French soldiers.
But wait a second, I thought you said this wasn't about politics. What difference does it make if CO is a USA carrier? Why shouldn't CO op-up French soldiers if this isn't political?

Originally Posted by Plus1
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The bombing of Belgrade was a NATO operation. I don't recall CO being part of that particular alliance,
NATO = US

CO = US Carrier

Announcement = Political Endorsement


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It's certainly their place. They do it every day with Elite passengers. Why, because it's good for business. If they think buying drink for US servicemen and woman is also good for business, then that's what they need to do to provide value for their stockholders.
And I think it is bad for business. I think it alienates 1) customers who are waiting for upgrades and 2) those who don't subscribe to the US political view about the use of force.

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As a US flagged carrier, they certainly should be performing this particular act. As a vendor for the US, they should certainly be performing this particular act. As a public business that operates in the US, they should be performing an act that is good for the bottom line.
Shrug. I think it's tacky and political.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by Plus1
Is CO a French carrier? I'd certainly expect Air France to give free drinks French soldiers.

France is a U.S. ally, so why shouldn't CO give free drinks to a French soldier as well, esepcially since they work together in international missions.

As for AF, AF gives free drinks to everybody.


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As a US flagged carrier, they certainly should be performing this particular act. As a vendor for the US, they should certainly be performing this particular act. As a public business that operates in the US, they should be performing an act that is good for the bottom line.
CO may be registered in the U.S., but they are a global company that does business in various countries, transporting citizens of various countries. This very act that might make some Americans think positively about them may also annoy non-Americans (and some Americans) on the same plane, and drive that business elsewhere.

It's debatable as to whether it's good for the bottom line.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:19 am
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I don't think we know if CO paid for the drinks, if the pilots (who were perhaps ex-military) paid for the drinks, or if a pax or several pax paid for the drinks. Whatever it was, it was a nice gesture.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by magiciansampras
Agreed. This is irritating and has happened to me on a UA flight before.
so the truth comes out. you're just mad that someone is getting special treatment over you, like you have some entitlement due to the amount of miles you fly.

not saying i agree with what DL or UA has done.

I think CO could have given the drinks, but I think the public announcement was maybe a bit much.

I also don't see how it has anything to do with politics. My inlaws are all democrats, but always are appreciative and supportive of soldiers. Apples to oranges.
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