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What engine variants are on CO's 772s?
The RR or GE?
The RR or GE?
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If I recall correctly, they were originally GE90-90 units that have been uprated to GE90-94 level... meaning 94,000 lbs of thrust instead of the original 90,000 lbs. The newer planes already have the -94 configuration.
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Edit: Just looked on the CO site. They have the "GE90-90B engines, rated at 90,000 pounds thrust each." I think what we were both thinking of is this, found on the GE web site, as I remember a release a while back from CO about it:
"...customers have the option to upgrade their original GE90 engines with the GE's Performance Improvement Package (PIP). The PIP provides customers with a 1.6 percent fuel burn advantage and an approximately 20 degrees Celsius increase in exhaust gas temperature margin allowing better levels of performance and a reduction in operating costs."
Unless we have of both. If so, CO doesn't have the current info on their site.
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Oxygen supply
First - thanks to all pilots for flying us safely!
Question: Does the captain have control over the amount of Oxygen supplied to the passenger cabin? Is it true that the Oxygen levels are higher the more forward you are in the cabin (better Oxygen levels in F or BE)?
Question: Does the captain have control over the amount of Oxygen supplied to the passenger cabin? Is it true that the Oxygen levels are higher the more forward you are in the cabin (better Oxygen levels in F or BE)?
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The air pressure in the cabin can be controlled, to a certain extent, but would normally be at the highest normal pressure for your cruise altitude that the aircraft's design (max psid) allows.
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Think of a balloon and blow it up with regular air. If the balloon is the same size as your lungs, and you take a breath out of it, you will capture all of the air and therefore all of the O2 in the balloon. Normal breathing.
Now if you take that balloon to altitude, it get's bigger because of the decrease in air pressure outside BUT, there is no more, or less, O2 in there. It's the same exact air. You haven't pumped any O2 in there or taken any out, the O2 molecules are just further apart. So when you take a breath out of the same balloon that has now doubled in size, since your lungs hold the same amount of air, you can only inhale half of the air in the balloon. Now you are breathing the same air as at sea level but only getting half the O2. It now takes two breaths to get the same amount of O2 as at sea level. When there is a decompression, the O2 molecules are so far apart that you can't breath enough air to harvest that loosely packed O2 out of it.
So, in the sense that pilots can control the density of the air in the cabin (pressurization), they can control how much O2 is available to breath by pumping more molecules from outside into the small space of the AC but they aren't adding O2 from a tank.
This is oversimplified and I hope I haven't just made it more confusing.
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The pilots aren't controlling the amount of O2 in the cabin by adding or subtracting supplemental O2 to the incoming air. It's a different mechanism.
Think of a balloon and blow it up with regular air. If the balloon is the same size as your lungs, and you take a breath out of it, you will capture all of the air and therefore all of the O2 in the balloon. Normal breathing.
Now if you take that balloon to altitude, it get's bigger because of the decrease in air pressure outside BUT, there is no more, or less, O2 in there. It's the same exact air. You haven't pumped any O2 in there or taken any out, the O2 molecules are just further apart. So when you take a breath out of the same balloon that has now doubled in size, since your lungs hold the same amount of air, you can only inhale half of the air in the balloon. Now you are breathing the same air as at sea level but only getting half the O2. It now takes two breaths to get the same amount of O2 as at sea level. When there is a decompression, the O2 molecules are so far apart that you can't breath enough air to harvest that loosely packed O2 out of it.
So, in the sense that pilots can control the density of the air in the cabin (pressurization), they can control how much O2 is available to breath by pumping more molecules from outside into the small space of the AC but they aren't adding O2 from a tank.
This is oversimplified and I hope I haven't just made it more confusing.
Think of a balloon and blow it up with regular air. If the balloon is the same size as your lungs, and you take a breath out of it, you will capture all of the air and therefore all of the O2 in the balloon. Normal breathing.
Now if you take that balloon to altitude, it get's bigger because of the decrease in air pressure outside BUT, there is no more, or less, O2 in there. It's the same exact air. You haven't pumped any O2 in there or taken any out, the O2 molecules are just further apart. So when you take a breath out of the same balloon that has now doubled in size, since your lungs hold the same amount of air, you can only inhale half of the air in the balloon. Now you are breathing the same air as at sea level but only getting half the O2. It now takes two breaths to get the same amount of O2 as at sea level. When there is a decompression, the O2 molecules are so far apart that you can't breath enough air to harvest that loosely packed O2 out of it.
So, in the sense that pilots can control the density of the air in the cabin (pressurization), they can control how much O2 is available to breath by pumping more molecules from outside into the small space of the AC but they aren't adding O2 from a tank.
This is oversimplified and I hope I haven't just made it more confusing.
The distribution on O2 is equal throughout the cabin. And as pptp said, the amount of oxygen stays the same (ambiant air) what changes is the density of the air.
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Good point. The bleed air is either on or off, not adjustable, so the only way to control pressure is to let more out or keep more in. I was a victim of my over-simplification (and that slipped my mind too).
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Any idea of the nationality of ATC in China/Beijing? I've heard rumors that controllers are mostly Westerners, perhaps "imported" from HKG
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This thread is an awesome read!
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Wow, I had no idea! So one pilot puts the mask on during TATL flights and other flights when the other goes to the bathroom? That is so interesting; is it weird to put it on every flight like that?
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