If CO still enforcing DCA 30 minute rule - Wash Post published TSA complaint number
Sep 12, 2006, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by AEpilot76
...Whether it's paranoia or not, the captain can still do it. IF the captain plays the safety/security card, the company, his employer most likely will not have an issue with it. ...
A pilot in command must still answer on the ground for what he does in the air.
Sep 12, 2006, 10:55 am
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Originally Posted by cova
I agree - Captain is in charge and can make what ever rules he wants. The announcement should come from the captain - not the FA.
The situation I quoted was a 1 hour annoucement from the FA - not even 30 minutes. I was seated in F with 11 other passengers. Coach was nearly empty with say no more than 30 passengers.
When annoucement made 1 hour out without warning - half of the FC got up and waited in line to use the rest room.
Movie halted due to security reasons - did you ever have the movie shut down when the 30 minute rule was in effect. Why bother to sell $5 headsets in coach for a 2:45 minute flight if you are going to stop the movie half way through.
The situation I quoted was a 1 hour annoucement from the FA - not even 30 minutes. I was seated in F with 11 other passengers. Coach was nearly empty with say no more than 30 passengers.
When annoucement made 1 hour out without warning - half of the FC got up and waited in line to use the rest room.
Movie halted due to security reasons - did you ever have the movie shut down when the 30 minute rule was in effect. Why bother to sell $5 headsets in coach for a 2:45 minute flight if you are going to stop the movie half way through.
Sep 12, 2006, 10:59 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
CO is already on the record stating these requirements and announcements are not within company guidelines and should be stopped. I doubt CO is not going to have an issue with any employee going outside company guideliness without a valid reason - and the valid reason has to be something that occurred during the operation in question, not just "I feel safer knowing the passengers are all being forced to remain seated whenever I fly to DCA".
A pilot in command must still answer on the ground for what he does in the air.
A pilot in command must still answer on the ground for what he does in the air.
Sep 12, 2006, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
CO is already on the record stating these requirements and announcements are not within company guidelines and should be stopped. I doubt CO is not going to have an issue with any employee going outside company guideliness without a valid reason - and the valid reason has to be something that occurred during the operation in question, not just "I feel safer knowing the passengers are all being forced to remain seated whenever I fly to DCA".
The in flight food service was excellent in FC - so no issue with service.
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Sep 12, 2006, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by AEpilot76
Maybe something did occur which is unknown to the rest of us and therefore they enforced this rule which is no longer policy. I've flown with very few captains who would enforce a rule such as this one if it's no longer policy. If the captain requested the flight attendants to enforce this rule, he may have very well had a good reason
Sep 12, 2006, 12:48 pm
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Sep 12, 2006, 2:36 pm
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It really bothers me as well that my co-workers are still making this annoucement. FYI, we are required to remind pax that they are to remain seated while the seat belt sign is on. BTW, is there someone we can report pax to for not following instructions and/or lighted info signs??? 
Sep 12, 2006, 2:43 pm
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Originally Posted by CALflyboi
FYI, we are required to remind pax that they are to remain seated while the seat belt sign is on. BTW, is there someone we can report pax to for not following instructions and/or lighted info signs???
Just like someone jay walking - they are responsible - not the driver that hit them.
Sep 12, 2006, 6:40 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
....and FA should be prepared to go to court to defend CO if necessary.
Shouldn't it be a two way street?
Sep 12, 2006, 6:42 pm
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Originally Posted by AEpilot76
Once in the air, the Captain (PIC) is in command, period. No, he/she can not force you to pray, but he can enforce security related measures if he/she feels it is necessary. Whether it's paranoia or not, the captain can still do it. IF the captain plays the safety/security card, the company, his employer most likely will not have an issue with it. I may not agree with someone enforcing this rule, but asking people to remain seated for 30 minutes out of DCA is hardly comparable to making up checklists.
On AA, captains will often make a pre-flight PA saying that due to a TSA requirement passengers must use the lavatory in their ticketed cabin. That rule only applies to international flights, whats the difference between that and asking people to remain seated 30 minutes outside of DCA? Captains discretion
On AA, captains will often make a pre-flight PA saying that due to a TSA requirement passengers must use the lavatory in their ticketed cabin. That rule only applies to international flights, whats the difference between that and asking people to remain seated 30 minutes outside of DCA? Captains discretion
Sep 12, 2006, 6:46 pm
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Originally Posted by CO Insider
Thanks Cova. I've received your PM and will be following up. The specifics you provided are very helpful.
Dec 18, 2006, 11:08 am
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but it came up again today on COEX 2167 CLE-DCA this morning. The flight attendant made the annoucement prior to the safety demonstration.
During the drink service I mentioned that the rule was repealed some time ago and was told that the requirement was explicitly stated on the pilot's flight information "So it must be a new rule. And the old rule was one hour anyway."
No mention of it was made by the pilot, in fact they didn't even make their "initial decent" annoucement until we were about 15 minutes from touchdown.
During the drink service I mentioned that the rule was repealed some time ago and was told that the requirement was explicitly stated on the pilot's flight information "So it must be a new rule. And the old rule was one hour anyway."
No mention of it was made by the pilot, in fact they didn't even make their "initial decent" annoucement until we were about 15 minutes from touchdown.
Dec 18, 2006, 1:22 pm
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Last Friday (12/15), DCA-EWR on an ERJ, captain announced that the seatbelt sign would remain on due to "operational requirements" of DCA and EWR (??). Last night (12/17), EWR-DCA on a 735, seat belt sign was turned of after ascent and turned on again about 15 minutes before landing.
Feb 3, 2007, 3:43 pm
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Last Friday (12/15), DCA-EWR on an ERJ, captain announced that the seatbelt sign would remain on due to "operational requirements" of DCA and EWR (??). Last night (12/17), EWR-DCA on a 735, seat belt sign was turned of after ascent and turned on again about 15 minutes before landing.
Feb 3, 2007, 4:04 pm
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Nevertheless, about 4 pax on my flight ignored her to use the lav during cruise.
I think COInsider is still interested in these reports, but he will probably get the info he needs from our posts here today.