The 787's
Feb 23, 2006 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by OutOfOffice
It's the same reality that's going to dictate the layout for
the super mega jumbo airbus, put in as many seats as possible.
the super mega jumbo airbus, put in as many seats as possible.
Ahh the Flying Pubs.
Feb 23, 2006 | 9:15 pm
#32
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EWR is already plagued with delay issues
I think CO has a big problem with EWR. On Wed noon, I was delayed 1 hour in clear weather leaving BWI for a 36 minute flight to EWR due to ATC issues. Leaving from EWR at 4 PM took almost 1 hour from leaving the gate to wheels up due to a lineup of almost 30 planes waiting to take off. This was on a mid week day without any weather issues! I cannot see how EWR will be able to increase its capacity much more without significant delays, which will cost a fortune in wasted fuel and wages. Now take CLE. It has room, can handle most traffic from the midWest and South, and has flights throughout the country. Why not move some of the international traffic from EWR to CLE. Why should a passenger from Dayton, Louisville or similar city not connect in CLE to go to Europe or the Middle East?
I think CO has a big problem with EWR. On Wed noon, I was delayed 1 hour in clear weather leaving BWI for a 36 minute flight to EWR due to ATC issues. Leaving from EWR at 4 PM took almost 1 hour from leaving the gate to wheels up due to a lineup of almost 30 planes waiting to take off. This was on a mid week day without any weather issues! I cannot see how EWR will be able to increase its capacity much more without significant delays, which will cost a fortune in wasted fuel and wages. Now take CLE. It has room, can handle most traffic from the midWest and South, and has flights throughout the country. Why not move some of the international traffic from EWR to CLE. Why should a passenger from Dayton, Louisville or similar city not connect in CLE to go to Europe or the Middle East?
Feb 23, 2006 | 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by radonc1
Why not move some of the international traffic from EWR to CLE. Why should a passenger from Dayton, Louisville or similar city not connect in CLE to go to Europe or the Middle East?
PS: I forgot Rock City and Ruby Falls!
Last edited by perezoso; Feb 24, 2006 at 12:41 am
Feb 23, 2006 | 9:31 pm
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Originally Posted by perezoso
Because when most of the people in Dayton, Louisville, and similar cities go out of town, they are going to Branson, Missouri or Gatlinburg or Pigeon Forge or Opryland, Tennessee, or some god-forsaken gambling barge on a tributary of the Mississippi. If they're really gonna go crazy, they might head to Niagra Falls.
Hayseeds lak us nevah have time to wait in lil ole EWR when Dollys gittin on stage 
Feb 23, 2006 | 9:45 pm
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Originally Posted by radonc1
Yee hah. Wayh, shucks, Ah never thought of that Hayseeds lak us nevah have time to wait in lil ole EWR when Dollys gittin on stage
Hayseeds lak us nevah have time to wait in lil ole EWR when Dollys gittin on stage
Feb 24, 2006 | 12:30 am
#36
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Originally Posted by radonc1
EWR is already plagued with delay issues
I think CO has a big problem with EWR. On Wed noon, I was delayed 1 hour in clear weather leaving BWI for a 36 minute flight to EWR due to ATC issues. Leaving from EWR at 4 PM took almost 1 hour from leaving the gate to wheels up due to a lineup of almost 30 planes waiting to take off. This was on a mid week day without any weather issues! I cannot see how EWR will be able to increase its capacity much more without significant delays, which will cost a fortune in wasted fuel and wages. Now take CLE. It has room, can handle most traffic from the midWest and South, and has flights throughout the country. Why not move some of the international traffic from EWR to CLE. Why should a passenger from Dayton, Louisville or similar city not connect in CLE to go to Europe or the Middle East?
I think CO has a big problem with EWR. On Wed noon, I was delayed 1 hour in clear weather leaving BWI for a 36 minute flight to EWR due to ATC issues. Leaving from EWR at 4 PM took almost 1 hour from leaving the gate to wheels up due to a lineup of almost 30 planes waiting to take off. This was on a mid week day without any weather issues! I cannot see how EWR will be able to increase its capacity much more without significant delays, which will cost a fortune in wasted fuel and wages. Now take CLE. It has room, can handle most traffic from the midWest and South, and has flights throughout the country. Why not move some of the international traffic from EWR to CLE. Why should a passenger from Dayton, Louisville or similar city not connect in CLE to go to Europe or the Middle East?
Feb 24, 2006 | 12:39 am
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I thought at the Do they said the 787 would have a heavy Asian influence.
Wondering if we'll see a trickle down of more 67 and 57 domestic service. I know it won't happen but is there any domestic route currently that can support a 777? (EWR-IAH?)
Wondering if we'll see a trickle down of more 67 and 57 domestic service. I know it won't happen but is there any domestic route currently that can support a 777? (EWR-IAH?)
Feb 24, 2006 | 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by delpreston
Wondering if we'll see a trickle down of more 67 and 57 domestic service. I know it won't happen but is there any domestic route currently that can support a 777? (EWR-IAH?)
[But please, no 735 like the morning CO510 IAH-EWR. Eeek.]
Feb 27, 2006 | 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by J.Edward
Will MBM3 get his CLE-CDG/AMS flight? Will punished-edmonton be blessed with a YEG dreamliner on the route? Perhaps Vincom will get his EWR-GUM n/s or entropy his 3rd daily EWR-TLV flight? Can LawFlyer look forward to charming FRA gate agents for a new n/s service to IAH? (Or perhaps theyll run a jet down I-10 to take J.Edward to school every morning )
)I think we'll see Continental exercise thier options fairly soon after inital deliveries.
-Vincent
Last edited by vincom; Feb 27, 2006 at 9:28 pm
Feb 27, 2006 | 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by vincom
...I think we'll see Continental exercise thier options fairly son after inital deliveries.
Feb 27, 2006 | 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by J.Edward
Does anyone know when the first 787 will arrive?
Feb 27, 2006 | 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by J.Edward
Good point. Does anyone know when the first 787 will arrive?
http://www.continental.com/vendors/d...22&s=&i=PRNews
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...r_041229g.html
Feb 27, 2006 | 9:29 pm
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Originally Posted by MBM3
-Vincent
Feb 28, 2006 | 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by Wx4caster
uh oh. From today's USA TODAY..
Airlines are choosing to cram more seats into Boeing's hot-selling new 787 Dreamliner than the company expected, giving the plane a potentially decisive advantage over its Airbus rival..
"But 65% of our customers are going for nine abreast, and we think that (ratio) will probably go up."
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...er-seats_x.htm
Let's hope CO is not in this 65%.
Airlines are choosing to cram more seats into Boeing's hot-selling new 787 Dreamliner than the company expected, giving the plane a potentially decisive advantage over its Airbus rival..
"But 65% of our customers are going for nine abreast, and we think that (ratio) will probably go up."
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...er-seats_x.htm
Let's hope CO is not in this 65%.
more seats = more $$$$ = lower costs per seat mile
Feb 28, 2006 | 8:13 am
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Originally Posted by Madhouse24
can't see why they wouldn't be
more seats = more $$$$ = lower costs per seat mile
more seats = more $$$$ = lower costs per seat mile
If you make the pizza so cheap you won't be able to give it away....
-Vincent