...And it begins...
Jul 17, 2011, 5:36 pm
#76
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They weren't originally, but with winglets, etc, so were.
And I know of one, UAL awesome, I haven't seen him in a while, but he is one of the PMUA that can't see that UA has faults, my point is, there some CO people like that, and UA people like that.
And I'm sorry about your no IFE flight, CO has been getting new planes, and there have been problems with them and getting the DTV. And yes, DTV has faults, but IMO it's much beter then shared TV where you have to crane your neck around, etc to see the screen. Oh, and I also enjoy more leg room, that's why I always make sure to select bulkhead seats. Bulkhead seats, and DTV make a very nice ride, IMO.
And I know of one, UAL awesome, I haven't seen him in a while, but he is one of the PMUA that can't see that UA has faults, my point is, there some CO people like that, and UA people like that.
And I'm sorry about your no IFE flight, CO has been getting new planes, and there have been problems with them and getting the DTV. And yes, DTV has faults, but IMO it's much beter then shared TV where you have to crane your neck around, etc to see the screen. Oh, and I also enjoy more leg room, that's why I always make sure to select bulkhead seats. Bulkhead seats, and DTV make a very nice ride, IMO.
Jul 17, 2011, 5:52 pm
#77
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Sorry if PMCO folks don't miss pillows in F and don't mind paying for cocktails. Guess what? I do... Also, when I am stuck in Y, I prefer E+ (you will see it one day) and I don't want to pay $8 for DTV! I prefer the free media or my own and ch 9. Also, the CO flights I have been on I see very few people paying. With that said, I have paid 2x... for baseball playoffs and football last year. Unfortunately, it kept get interrupted at key points so certainly not infallible or perfect IMHO. Oh and then lucky me on the 1x I was upgraded LAX-IAH we got a CO bird that had ZERO IFE... no DTV and nothing free! Yeah that sucks.
Jul 17, 2011, 6:05 pm
#78
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I don't think any CO person minds not having a pillow or having to pay for cocktails, or practically anything $misek has done. And saying UA people know the pros and cons of UA and CO people don't about CO is 
. I've seen many UA lovers that think UA is the best airline in the world, and many CO people who know CO can improve greatly.
Also, 757s are not inadequate for TATL. Considering, without 757s on TATL, Barcelona, Lisbon, Oslo, Hamburg, Shannon, Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Stuttgart, and Edinburgh, just to name a few, would not be able to support a TATL flight, all of these cities CO flys to and, guess what, UA doesn't.
Oh, and AC is considered by many to be the best North American airline, but as always, YMMV.
. I've seen many UA lovers that think UA is the best airline in the world, and many CO people who know CO can improve greatly. Also, 757s are not inadequate for TATL. Considering, without 757s on TATL, Barcelona, Lisbon, Oslo, Hamburg, Shannon, Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Stuttgart, and Edinburgh, just to name a few, would not be able to support a TATL flight, all of these cities CO flys to and, guess what, UA doesn't.
Oh, and AC is considered by many to be the best North American airline, but as always, YMMV.
DTV + power outlets trumps UA's non-existant IFE any day. Sorry, Ch9 is not a guarantee since some pilots are afraid of people recording it, not realizing it's available online. With a Chase CC the DTV is $6, and for shorter flights it's cheaper. I don't miss pillows in F, I don't pay for cocktails, and I do prefer CO's F service to UA.
Jul 17, 2011, 6:07 pm
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Related to the other point - do you pay for your TV, or do your parents? Serious question. Makes a difference.
I have a laptop and iPod with plenty of IFE, far superior to any paid TV. But YMMV I guess if you want to pay for a few TV channels.
I think you may generalize too by saying no CO flyers have issues with $misek - think many would beg to differ.
Jul 17, 2011, 6:08 pm
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Yes he's nickel and dime, but still, you'd leave because he charges for better IFE? I seem to recall UA does that with their AVOD in Y. Hmmmm.
Jul 17, 2011, 6:10 pm
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Using generalizations to make a point does no good, sorry. In this situation I was trying to understand the root of the problem, which the OP refuses to address. So it is.
Related to the other point - do you pay for your TV, or do your parents? Serious question. Makes a difference.
I have a laptop and iPod with plenty of IFE, far superior to any paid TV. But YMMV I guess if you want to pay for a few TV channels.
I think you may generalize too by saying no CO flyers have issues with $misek - think many would beg to differ.
Related to the other point - do you pay for your TV, or do your parents? Serious question. Makes a difference.
I have a laptop and iPod with plenty of IFE, far superior to any paid TV. But YMMV I guess if you want to pay for a few TV channels.
I think you may generalize too by saying no CO flyers have issues with $misek - think many would beg to differ.
Yes, generalization doesn't work, I'm sorry, and if I have the money, I'll pay my parents back later for DTV. And when did I say CO flyers don't have an issue with $misek? I have an issue with $misek....
Jul 17, 2011, 6:19 pm
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How can you recharge your laptop without outlets on a T-con? I'd rather be able to charge a laptop than watch a movie on an ipod.
Jul 17, 2011, 6:20 pm
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Defending United will get challenged. U.S. News and World Report published the 2011 Airline Quality Report writing that United had the worst AQR score among major airlines with a -1.31, with customer service as its Achilles' heel. United had the second-highest customer complaint rate in 2010 with 1.64 complaints reported per 100,000 passengers. United had the unfortunate distinction of placing second on Business Insider's "The 18 Worst Companies in America" list.
Continental came in at #4. Continental took heat for increased customer complaints and increased denied boardings.
J.D. Power and Associates in their 2011 North American Airline Satisfaction Survey tied United with US Airways as the lowest in overall customer satisfaction. Continental came in third, trailing Air Canada and Alaska which were tied for first.
Continental came in at #4. Continental took heat for increased customer complaints and increased denied boardings.
J.D. Power and Associates in their 2011 North American Airline Satisfaction Survey tied United with US Airways as the lowest in overall customer satisfaction. Continental came in third, trailing Air Canada and Alaska which were tied for first.
And citing mainstream rankings will get challenged as well.
I think we know there are certain airlines that do better by general members. There are also other airlines that do really well by their Elites.
There are also varying definitions of terms (e.g., customer service). A general member may think access to an agent or well-staffed checkin lines is good customer service. An Elite member who bypasses much of that infrastructure may think that fast bags off the belt, a well-staffed club CS desk, or little or no phone hold time is good customer service.
Most on this board are Elites. Citing mainstream rankings may or may not match up to what Elites tend to experience.
I think most on this board will say that CO does a better job with general members, while UA tends to do a better job with its Elite members. So ideally, if we can have the "best of both," we'd want the combined company to have improved baseline services for general members, while keeping UA's tendency to cater towards Elites.
Jul 17, 2011, 6:21 pm
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<----- still waiting for something I will like!
Jul 17, 2011, 6:26 pm
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No, I wouldn't leave just because of that. I actually like it I just think it's overpriced. I will consider leaving if all of these little nickel and dime issues continue. You know 20 nickels is a dollar and it's all adding up fast. I can add removing Starbucks to the list...
<----- still waiting for something I will like!
<----- still waiting for something I will like!
Ah. I agree it is overpriced, but it is still better then shared TV IMO.
Jul 17, 2011, 7:14 pm
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Maybe it was just the way you worded it.I'm guessing sometimes you may pay your parents back for DTV, sometimes not. Many of us are on the hook for paying 100% of the time, and thus the $8 for every single flight is a lot less attractive.
How can you recharge your laptop without outlets on a T-con? I'd rather be able to charge a laptop than watch a movie on an ipod.
Even without power I can get 4 hours, which is fine for me.
Jul 17, 2011, 7:18 pm
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Jul 17, 2011, 7:20 pm
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UA also has enough widebodies it is able to run on transcons/midcons that have AV and power, so that's nice too
Jul 17, 2011, 7:40 pm
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Now you're just confusing me - do CO flyers generally have an issue with $misek, or not have an issue with $misek? Maybe it was just the way you worded it.
I'm guessing sometimes you may pay your parents back for DTV, sometimes not. Many of us are on the hook for paying 100% of the time, and thus the $8 for every single flight is a lot less attractive.
Maybe it was just the way you worded it.I'm guessing sometimes you may pay your parents back for DTV, sometimes not. Many of us are on the hook for paying 100% of the time, and thus the $8 for every single flight is a lot less attractive.
Arrgh! I see what I did! I meant they do mind, just was a bit distracted when writing that post.
And yes, you do have a point.
Jul 17, 2011, 7:49 pm
#90
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should I construe that as implicit agreement with everything I said ? maybe that you are just a 14 year old armchair pilot (since you refuse to detail your complaints)?
like I said, irrelevancy, and now, the ignore list.
trolls are so dissappinting to see spoiling a community like thiz.
like I said, irrelevancy, and now, the ignore list.
trolls are so dissappinting to see spoiling a community like thiz.