A Direct Question For QuietLion ………..
Dec 13, 2000 | 1:32 pm
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Dec 13, 2000 | 2:08 pm
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All I want to say is I think much less of ozstamps now after reviewing his postings in this thread (I haven't read anything else at FT in the last 18 hours). I'll leave it at that, my basic opinion.
I'm also disappointed by the move to start IP logging and tracking by WebFlyer, but I respect it and understand the reasons behind it.
I'm also disappointed by the move to start IP logging and tracking by WebFlyer, but I respect it and understand the reasons behind it.
Dec 13, 2000 | 2:12 pm
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I have seen Oz; he was pushing a Paradise Hot Dog cart down Canal St towards the Quarter and I think his real name is Ignatius
Dec 13, 2000 | 2:59 pm
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motnot:
While I appreciate the compliment, I am hardly the voice of restraint consistently enough to be worthy of the compliment.
http://www.knll.org/wwwboard/messages/8886.html
Note: This is a link to a Little League message board - I started a nice little argument here...
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"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own."
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While I appreciate the compliment, I am hardly the voice of restraint consistently enough to be worthy of the compliment.
http://www.knll.org/wwwboard/messages/8886.html
Note: This is a link to a Little League message board - I started a nice little argument here...
[Edited to fix the link]
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"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own."
[This message has been edited by Jon Toner (edited 12-13-2000).]
Dec 13, 2000 | 3:26 pm
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I am very disappointed in this whole thread!!
First off, the title "A Direct Question for QuietLion" does not exactly denote humility and apologetic attitude.
An apology should be an apology without pointing fingers.
In my opinion, the apology will have no meaning until all the false alisias are identified by OZ and the other people on here who have played that game.
I have never met anyone from Flyertalk, but hope to in the future. But I do know my opinion has soured on a number of people here based on their behaviors.
Finally, Randy - I appreciate your posting your comments. IT is actually refreshing to see you post as "just one of us". I would love to see that more often.
William Harvey (with no alisias)
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First off, the title "A Direct Question for QuietLion" does not exactly denote humility and apologetic attitude.
An apology should be an apology without pointing fingers.
In my opinion, the apology will have no meaning until all the false alisias are identified by OZ and the other people on here who have played that game.
I have never met anyone from Flyertalk, but hope to in the future. But I do know my opinion has soured on a number of people here based on their behaviors.
Finally, Randy - I appreciate your posting your comments. IT is actually refreshing to see you post as "just one of us". I would love to see that more often.
William Harvey (with no alisias)
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Dec 13, 2000 | 3:39 pm
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First: What's all this got to do with the latest frequent flier mileage news?
Looks more like personal mudslinging to me.
A gentleman should know when enough's enough. Less would have been definitely more in this case.
Why not take some pointers from some of the cultures of the countries that many of us (including myself) like to visit:
Buddhism teaches that ego is a projection of the mind.
We all create our own lives (karma) through our actions.
One step up in Mahayana Buddhism we find:
All experienced phenomena are empty by nature. This means an ego that could be hurt by someone's words or actions does not exist.
Ozstamps, maybe it's time for some quiet reflection away from an internet connection.
Looks more like personal mudslinging to me.
A gentleman should know when enough's enough. Less would have been definitely more in this case.
Why not take some pointers from some of the cultures of the countries that many of us (including myself) like to visit:
Buddhism teaches that ego is a projection of the mind.
We all create our own lives (karma) through our actions.
One step up in Mahayana Buddhism we find:
All experienced phenomena are empty by nature. This means an ego that could be hurt by someone's words or actions does not exist.
Ozstamps, maybe it's time for some quiet reflection away from an internet connection.
Dec 13, 2000 | 3:54 pm
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Thanks for the comments above from Randy and dozens of others, good, bad and indifferent. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I have no problem with that. JeffS .. only an ozzie/ex-ozzie would understand your post - but thanks! And Freebird, Buddha will have no part in it, but I will be sitting on a tiny sheep farm for a week soon on a very remote island in the Falkland Islands for Christmas, so the possibility of a nearby Kinkos or cybercafe is not high!
I still stand by the final paragraph in the original post. As Kokonutz says, reformed smokers are mostly THE worst. So be it. We have now got the IP logging that he campaigned for. You all just received an email about it. So what? I hope it stays on FOREVER and I can't see why it does not. If my tombstone has carved upon it "Ozstamps bought us IP logging on FT" - so be it. It was here for a week in the Mileage God situation a few months ago, and did not affect Flyer Talk negatively at all if you recall. Here is the official version of why, and as can be seen, those with nothing to hide in future have nothing to fear:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum75/HTML/000016.html
The comments above I have read and can learn from in some cases. Some are just plain nonsense IMHO, but at least they are all (with one exception) from REAL flyertalkers who many have met and know in real life. The army of recent fake handles is missing from this thread, and will doubtless stay that way under IP logging, and that must be a large positive for Flyertalk. If IP logging works fine for THE largest companies in some fields, why not Flyertalk????
IP logging follows you pretty well EVERYWHERE these days, whether you know it or not. You can be pinpointed to a Kinko's computer on 317 Broadway NY in moments if someone wishes to do it. Just an example of a commonly used (by some here!) company like eBay, this is what you AGREE TO to even use that site to buy or sell. Right now there are 5 million lots for sale there and about 15 million bidders, Every sinlge one has agreed to have their IP address tracked. So what? Hasn't stopped them from becoming the largest in the world, by several MILES. I've never sold anything on eBay on any on-line Auction, but anyone who thinks they can do that under a bogus name and get away with it is kidding themselves:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-priv.html#2
We automatically track certain information about you based upon your behavior on our site. We use this information to do internal research on our users' demographics, interests, and behavior to better understand and serve our users. This information is compiled and analyzed on an aggregated basis. This information may include the URL that you just came from (whether this URL is on our site or not), which URL you next go to (whether this URL is on our site or not), what browser you are using, and your IP address.
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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 12-13-2000).]
I still stand by the final paragraph in the original post. As Kokonutz says, reformed smokers are mostly THE worst. So be it. We have now got the IP logging that he campaigned for. You all just received an email about it. So what? I hope it stays on FOREVER and I can't see why it does not. If my tombstone has carved upon it "Ozstamps bought us IP logging on FT" - so be it. It was here for a week in the Mileage God situation a few months ago, and did not affect Flyer Talk negatively at all if you recall. Here is the official version of why, and as can be seen, those with nothing to hide in future have nothing to fear:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum75/HTML/000016.html
The comments above I have read and can learn from in some cases. Some are just plain nonsense IMHO, but at least they are all (with one exception) from REAL flyertalkers who many have met and know in real life. The army of recent fake handles is missing from this thread, and will doubtless stay that way under IP logging, and that must be a large positive for Flyertalk. If IP logging works fine for THE largest companies in some fields, why not Flyertalk????
IP logging follows you pretty well EVERYWHERE these days, whether you know it or not. You can be pinpointed to a Kinko's computer on 317 Broadway NY in moments if someone wishes to do it. Just an example of a commonly used (by some here!) company like eBay, this is what you AGREE TO to even use that site to buy or sell. Right now there are 5 million lots for sale there and about 15 million bidders, Every sinlge one has agreed to have their IP address tracked. So what? Hasn't stopped them from becoming the largest in the world, by several MILES. I've never sold anything on eBay on any on-line Auction, but anyone who thinks they can do that under a bogus name and get away with it is kidding themselves:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-priv.html#2
We automatically track certain information about you based upon your behavior on our site. We use this information to do internal research on our users' demographics, interests, and behavior to better understand and serve our users. This information is compiled and analyzed on an aggregated basis. This information may include the URL that you just came from (whether this URL is on our site or not), which URL you next go to (whether this URL is on our site or not), what browser you are using, and your IP address.
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~ Glen ~
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Dec 13, 2000 | 5:09 pm
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Originally posted by BoSoxFan45:
It's absolutely pathetic that they now have to log IP numbers. Shame on all of you who feel the need to belittle specific people in public forums. Thanks for making me less likely to participate or view this increasingly sick forum.
It's absolutely pathetic that they now have to log IP numbers. Shame on all of you who feel the need to belittle specific people in public forums. Thanks for making me less likely to participate or view this increasingly sick forum.
Dec 13, 2000 | 5:33 pm
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Is it ever possible for me to comment on my behalf and not be connected with the Government of FlyerTalk?
Dec 13, 2000 | 5:34 pm
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I think that Randy should post under two names, that way we can tell who he is posting as!!!!
TW
TW
Dec 13, 2000 | 5:37 pm
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I think that Randy should post under two names, that way we can tell who he is posting as!!!!
TW
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TW
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Dec 13, 2000 | 5:37 pm
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I'm sorry, your psudo-apology was invalid. Please try again...
Dec 13, 2000 | 5:42 pm
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"Dam*ed if you do, Dam*ed if you don't." ( © Animal Farm). 
Valid enough for some it seems.
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Valid enough for some it seems.
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Dec 13, 2000 | 5:43 pm
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Ozzie,
Now you will try to have us believe that your reprehensible behavior was a benefit to FT! How sad and pathetic.
Semantics aside, You have not yet apologized. In fact, you have made an accusation against QL and a false accusation against me.
I do not expect a reasonable response from you, I do not think you are capable of reasonable behavior. Your original post in this thread is proof of that.
You may be thinking that this will fade from our memories. Make no mistake about this fact: Your behavior will not fade from the memories of FT's. If my inbox is any indication, for every one FT'er standing up to you here, there are ten more silently agreeing.
You have no credibility here. Your actions today have made certain one thing, that will never change. Your "Contributions" have been, for the most part, at best borderline ethical. Some would say that most of your "Idea's" are scams.
Cut your losses and retreat. Take JaneJet and your other friends with you. Leave the travel talk to those of us with a sense of ethical behavior.
Edited to fix spelling error.
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Now you will try to have us believe that your reprehensible behavior was a benefit to FT! How sad and pathetic.
Semantics aside, You have not yet apologized. In fact, you have made an accusation against QL and a false accusation against me.
I do not expect a reasonable response from you, I do not think you are capable of reasonable behavior. Your original post in this thread is proof of that.
You may be thinking that this will fade from our memories. Make no mistake about this fact: Your behavior will not fade from the memories of FT's. If my inbox is any indication, for every one FT'er standing up to you here, there are ten more silently agreeing.
You have no credibility here. Your actions today have made certain one thing, that will never change. Your "Contributions" have been, for the most part, at best borderline ethical. Some would say that most of your "Idea's" are scams.
Cut your losses and retreat. Take JaneJet and your other friends with you. Leave the travel talk to those of us with a sense of ethical behavior.
Edited to fix spelling error.
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Dec 13, 2000 | 5:48 pm
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Randy,
Come on?! When you post here I for one take it is a "corporate opinion" and would be more than shocked if almost everyone else did not as well.
I am not out to bash you @ all...I had just hoped FT would have been firmer and your quick acceptance of Glen's "apology" seemed weak-handed for FT...that is all.
Just my opinion....
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Come on?! When you post here I for one take it is a "corporate opinion" and would be more than shocked if almost everyone else did not as well.
I am not out to bash you @ all...I had just hoped FT would have been firmer and your quick acceptance of Glen's "apology" seemed weak-handed for FT...that is all.
Just my opinion....
Dorian
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