Ozstamps - your public apology is acknowledged from me. I know that is a hard thing to do with the audience we have on this board. I hope this is over and that you understand I'll be watching as will others, but we do appreciate the contributions to the board and I still count on you among those whose point-of-view I like to hear of. We need great representation from around the world - but please, one voice is enough.

BTW, we will probably make a decision on IP logging today and while not solely caused by this matter, it does make us want to be sure we can all be who we are.

Randy: that's the best news I've heard all week. As Oz himself pointed out in my thread under Community, if IP logging is good enought for Ebay, it ought to be good enough for Flyertalk

Randy and doc, with all due respect, you have not been a victim of this person. And Randy, with all due respect, I don't think you know half of what's transpired here in hundreds of threads.

If either of you call that thing an apology...well...

It's not an apology, IMHO. Just because the word is in the text doesn't make it one. I think he's hoping some folks see it as such. But it's just a sham and a vehicle to expound some more of the same, IMHO.

I don't see anything in that speech that indicates sincerity to me. Gives me more the impression of someone who is attempting Damage Control only because he was caught red-handed with his hand in the cookie jar, and he's still trying to focus the blame elsewhere and make himself to look like the pursecuted one. IMHO.

Evasions. Diversions. Rationalizations. Justifications. Accusations. They are all there. This baby's a classic!

If it were me, I would be more ashamed of myself after giving that accusative and non-contrite diatribe, than anything I could have felt beforehand.

The more I read it and think about it, the more it ticks me off. He says: Oz thanks for letting us know that you've decided to move on. Geez.

How can we consider forgiveness if we don't even know which names he's refering to posting under and therefore know who he's done wrong to? Hell, for all I know, he could even be wonderland or notsomeone just to build up the drama to his benefit and rationalize his position as the persecuted one! He hasn't confessed to anything except posting "other than Ozstamps."

Hell, I've posted other than PremEx! It's what handle and what was said under that handle that he would like us all to except as being, well...brushed under the table?

Even the very title of the thread itself is challenging, not contrite, humble or apologetic.

Stinks worse now than before, IMHO. I don't see how I could ever forgive him now, especially after this sad admission. I certainly won't ever respect him. His "contributions" and helpful threads are way too high a price to pay for his behavour, IMHO.

How many times did we have to hear him say "I'd never do that." And now he not only doesn't apologize for lying about that or any other specific wrong, but goes on in the very statement and condemns others for doing just that!!

Like koko says, Oz is the last person to be stating his position on this subject!

If he respected us at all, I think he would just go away. No vote. No counts. I know I would. In shame. I don't think he will, which I think speaks for how much he respects us here, as well as his true character as a person.

Sorry Oz, but that's the way I see it. And that's coming from Mark Love aka PremEx. Not someone you accused me of being.


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It's absolutely pathetic that they now have to log IP numbers. Shame on all of you who feel the need to belittle specific people in public forums. Thanks for making me less likely to participate or view this increasingly sick forum.

Well said Doc! I agree with you. OZ has suffered enough IMO and deserves to be pardoned for having guts to own up to multiple personalities. A lot of people on this board still hide behind "ghosts" and refuse to admit it.

BTW, (excuse my naivety) is QuietLion away somewhere or is s/he just avoiding the question asked in the heading of this thread? Equality for everyone or what?

I must echo Premex's comments. This was no apology.

While I don't wish for Glen to go away I don't believe what he wrote above was truly sincere and forthcoming. Don't get me wrong, I WISH it was!

I must admit to being a little disappointed in Randy...posting what he did above. I woulda steared clear of this thread if I was in his position. IMO.

Glen, I harbour no ill feelings towards you (like maybe some others do) but your 'apology' was the low road IMO.

I'm going shopping, FT bums me out big time.

Dorian

p.s. thanx to my friends for emailing me directly in the past week regarding this and other items...nice to see us connecting more off FT during these sad times on the board.



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While I generally don't respond to these types of threads, and will try not to any more, I feel compelled to state the following, with no disrespect intended:

Premex, AA will not comp you to EP status. You have to earn it the old fashioned way.

And has anyone noticed that in the bottom right hand corner a sign says that our IP-s have been logged? Seems like a win to anti-privacy voices.

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I understand/suspect that there is actually more to this story, MRKEY!

Doc.I deleted my post because of fairness to OZ.

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Oz: What did you put in your kangaroo meat today?

thanks for the AA EP tips.

Fly a lot?

See, we can talk travel even while we debate.


Happy holidays to all.

Koko posted... "I have long observed the phenominon of reformed smokers, drinkers, etc. becoming the most ardent opponents of their former vice."

Reformed? Reformed? Heavens no. That would be horrible.

PS. Thanks for the tips on becoming an EP. Might just do that.

A comment. Is it ever possible for me to comment on my behalf and not be connected with the Government of FlyerTalk? Seems a few of you are dissapointed in my comments. They don't represent anything or anybody than myself. Why do they seem so weak? Well, because I simply have turned a deaf ear to some of the extra chat about that topic. Not as a role of FlyerTalk, but as myself - Randy Petersen - just another member of this community. Sure Oz has blasted me but I simply refuse to be drawn that batlle, I simply just ignored it. My acceptance of his apology is simple - I don't have to pay him any attention. As for his name calling and all the other stuff mentioned here.....seems to me i see a bit of that going on from non-Oz folks as well. Would you like a nice scrapbook of that as well? I like this board because I can choose at any time the depth and range of conversation I want with others. I can be ignored and also ignore others. Sorry you might be dissapointed, but sometimes I just want to be Randy Petersen whose membership number in the TWA program is 1920 262 1.

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