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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Lauried1079
Mods? Please direct me to where I can get out Asap!
Try clicking on the X on the top right of the page.
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 5:11 pm
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How about a format more like reddit.
However, please do not do it like airliners.
I find it very cumbersome and dont frequent it as much as i use to.
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by techgirl
Antiquated technology issues aside (which is an entirely different animal and one I'm not qualified to speak on as the "tech" in my handle does NOT stand for technology), there is a major emerging theme I see.

Is this a message board or is this a wiki?

If it is the former then fostering and preserving a collective community that is engaging and welcoming and able to grow its own culture organically is critical to the continuation of that flora. That was the model that Randy embraced for many years and its what has kept us old timers still occasionally clicking.

If it is the latter then put the effort into that. Cultivate information and organize it succinctly and don't worry about the community element.

Where I see the conflict is that this site wants to be both... because some members have a strong desire for one or the other. As a result, we end up with heavy handed moderation and reorganization of data that achieves one goal but stifles the other.

FlyerTalk needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up because right now it is an 18-19 year old bulletin board that is destined to live in its mother's basement if it can't figure that out.
An excellent post. ^
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by corruptcanadian
My point was I had gone through the correct process twice and those in charge (aka mods of the site) didn't respond.
The folks in charge of this site are not volunteer moderators - they're paid employees. Are you saying the Community Director or one of the Internet Brands employees did not respond to you? When you say "mods of this site", who, exactly, are you referring to?
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 6:42 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelinSperry
But where to go? Who to complain to? Who moderates the moderators?
One of the issues here is that there really isn't a forum to complain about moderation issues, or it may be confusing "where" to go next when you can't resolve an issue on moderation as there isn't a master thread anywhere on the topic or a wiki on moderation issues. There's only one person in charge of the volunteer moderators, and that is the Community Director, SanDiego1K. If you can't resolve a moderation issue directly with a moderator, the buck stops with her.
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Lauried1079
Mods? Please direct me to where I can get out Asap!
I'm sure the Community Director will be happy to put an end to your misery Why don't you send her a PM?
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 7:07 pm
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by BadgerBoi
My only appeal to the CD was responded to within hours.
Well, that's you. The CD has never bothered to respond to multiple appeals that I had sent for over a year -- not even the courtesy of an acknowledgment (I've since given up). The moderation was almost enough to drive me completely away, but has also limited me to minimal visits and minimal participation. The tone of FT reflects the tone of the people who run it. It was very, very, very different under Randy and, since his departure, has grown increasingly hostile, cliquish and inconsistent. I still visit because, from time to time, I can still glean valuable information. If FT wants to continue to present itself as a community, it needs to feel like one, and that starts with the CD and the mods.
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Lauried1079
No I don't want to make money nor will I pay. I thought this thread would be productive.
I posted OMG it wasn't the exact place and the post was closed and I was treated poorly. I'm done! Gl rude arrogant people!! I am also sharing to all 500k + on all Media accounts how this forum is a POS! Grow up.
Wow. I think you may have completely misunderstood the post to which you responded. It was not directed to you, I think, but to the OP.
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Well, that's you. The CD has never bothered to respond to multiple appeals that I had sent for over a year
Looks like I was lucky, even though the follow up response from the moderators was absolute rubbish.
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 12:37 am
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Originally Posted by PTravel
The moderation was almost enough to drive me completely away, but has also limited me to minimal visits and minimal participation.
Do you think moderator rotation to another forum every couple of years, or a fixed period where the moderator steps away from moderator duties and just posts as a general member, would be helpful? Would a new moderator on the forum(s) you participate in, with a fresh viewpoint, possibly make things better?
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 2:34 am
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by tom911
Do you think moderator rotation to another forum every couple of years, or a fixed period where the moderator steps away from moderator duties and just posts as a general member, would be helpful? Would a new moderator on the forum(s) you participate in, with a fresh viewpoint, possibly make things better?
There are some very good moderators on FT, including some I count as friends. I don't think the issue is rotation or term limits, but the lack of any kind of moderator review process. When I used to teach university, students filled out teacher evaluations at the end of each semester (do schools still do that?). The evaluations weren't dispositive, but were part of the departmental review processes and were useful in identifying specific issues and trends. Here, moderators can do whatever they want however they want, and the only mechanism for addressing complaints and excesses is through the CD. When, as I indicated earlier, the CD is completely unresponsive, the only recourse is the one I've taken: spending my social media time on other venues.

FT is a business that sells a product. That product is the information and community that we, as members, produce. Randy knew that and, though he ran this place strictly, he did so with compassion and recognition of the value that each member brought to the site. I don't think that's the case now, and I think this thread is the proof.

iBobbi's responsibilities are, primarily, technical (if I got that wrong, I apologize), and I'm guessing that his request for suggestions had more to do with improvements to the technological and mechanical aspects of FT. Many of the responses here certainly are directed to that. However, the fact that there are so many complaints and criticisms about moderation (which, by the way, are violations of the FT TOS and carry the risk of permanent ban) certainly suggests that there is a problem.

Perhaps this is something that TalkBoard could address, assuming they were empowered to do so. I don't think they should be able to "hire and fire" -- FT is a business and not a democracy -- but they are the elected voice of the membership and, if enabled to do so, could be the channel for bringing member concerns to management.
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 7:01 am
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Originally Posted by PTravel
The tone of FT reflects the tone of the people who run it. It was very, very, very different under Randy and, since his departure, has grown increasingly hostile, cliquish and inconsistent.
I agree with you and believe the change is due not only to management / moderator attitude but the narrowing value of FF programs themselves. FT has morphed from a generous tip-sharing community to a tense, possessory, and exclusionary arena whose most vigorous voices are animated by the scarcity of FF perks and benefits. FT today wants to hoard the wealth, not share it. This is a tonal problem in the short term and a business problem for Internet Brands in the long term. FT repels a lot of people.

If I ran FT would revise moderator guidelines to counter this existential threat. A "community" that roasts newbies instinctively, mocks all but the most involved and complex queries, and deletes or censors a good deal of contributed, legitimate content without consistent or transparent rationale cannot look forward to a long and happy lifespan.
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by 747FC
Wow. I think you may have completely misunderstood the post to which you responded. It was not directed to you, I think, but to the OP.
Correct.

I don't even know Lauried1079 or what they were rambling on about.
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