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SEE NEW THREAD - 50K AA Cards


As of Sunday August 25, 2013:
Reports indicate personal cards can no longer be rapidly churned.

Click HERE to review the previous thread on this topic.

Recommended Application Procedure:
Clear cache and cookies prior to applying or use an incognito or private browsing session to apply. Opening multiple different apps in different windows or tabs or failing to clear cookies/cache has resulted in people receiving a lesser offer.

For information on the Executive version of this card, with $450 annual fee, not waived, see: Up to 100k miles Citi Executive AAdvantage offers

MOST CURRENT 50K LINKS:

Citi Personal and Business:50K miles & two Admirals Club one-day passes after $3000 spend in 3 months, $95 fee waived first year.

Citi AA Platinum Personal Mastercard, 50,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here. This is a CHIP and Signature card.

Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC requires $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to this application page.

OTHER PERSONAL CARDS

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year.

Citi Gold Mastercard. 25,000 miles after $750 spend in 3 months. $50 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here

If you are already a Citigold customer, read this post from the Miles Professor about another 50K offer from your branch office for the American Airlines credit card.

OTHER BUSINESS CARDS

Citi Business MasterCard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.


Citibank Contacts/Resources (Please add the others that you know)
  • Application status: https://www.accountonline.com/cards/...?screenID=3187
  • (800) 695-5171 – Personal Application Status and Reconsideration Line with live rep
  • (800) 763-9795 – General Personal Application Inquiries with live rep
  • (800) 645-7240 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (800) 288-4653 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (866) 606-2787 – General Application and Account Questions with live rep
  • (888) 201-4523 – Application status
  • (866) 606-2961 – Reconsideration Line.
  • Twitter : @AskCiti. Very powerful tool.
  • Executive Office - useful for getting a more empowered agent for reconsideration purposes: CitiBank Executive Review Department, P.O. Box 6000, Sioux Falls, SD 57117

FAQ
  1. Are these AA cards churnable?
  2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
  4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
  5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
  6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
  7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
  8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
  9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
  10. When will my bonus miles post?
  11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
  12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
  13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
  14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?

1. Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are:
  • Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards in this thread can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum card and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first or the Executive card will restart the clock. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old personal cards.
    • Note: You cannot circumvent this rule by applying for a card type different from your previous Citi AA card. If your last personal AA card was a Visa, the waiting period for your next personal AA card will be the same regardless of whether you apply for a Visa, MC, or Amex.

  • Business AA cards: have been churnable repeatedly by some people without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Apply once every 91-95 days. For unknown reasons, some other people have been unable to churn business cards at all. Also, some (but not all) people need to completely cancel their previous business card (ie, cancel both the card account and the associated master account) before they can apply for another business card.

    Note: If you encounter difficulty in obtaining a Citi AA business card after holding one before, it may because of the unusual way Citi sets up business accounts. The business account per se has its own master number; like a standard MC/Visa, this master account number is 16 digits. In addition, each card on the account has its own 16-digit card number. Each of these numbers, including the number for the primary cardholder, is different from the master account number.

    Sometimes, when you call to close your card account, all the card numbers are canceled but the master account remains open. When this happens, subsequent applications for a business card may encounter difficulty. Online, there should be a dropdown of accounts under your business login; the number that match your card number is your card account, the number that does not match your card number is your master account. When cancelling, ask to cancel both accounts, giving the last 4 digts of each (as shown in that dropdown).


2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  • Only 1 Citi application of any kind per week (8 days to be safe).
  • No more than 2 Citi applications of any kind in 60 days (65 days to be safe).
  • No more than 1 Citi business application in 90 days (95 to be safe). This does not override the rules above.

While the day limits are a little flexible by a few days either way and YMMV, the rules themselves are not flexible. Note: In applying the rules above, count all Citi applications, including denials and/or applications for non-AA cards.

Mixed type Example:
Day 1 60K HHonors Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 66 or later 50K Business #1
Day 74 or later 60K Executive
Day 161 or later 50K Business #2
18 Months, 74 days or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa

Not sure what day you applied? The date is written year, month, day in the application number: 201402280000 means you applied on Feb 28, 2014


3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
No. There is no requirement that you close previous personal accounts. People have reported having 4 or more of the exact same card. However, many people have reported problems getting AA Business cards if they have an open Business account.


4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
This is a matter of personal preference. Citi cards can be closed immediately after receiving a bonus and paying off the balance. There are no verifiable reports of Citi clawing back miles (exception - miles were clawed back for returned merchandise around November 2011).

Reasons to keep accounts open:
  • Having large credit lines improves your utilization percentage.
  • Maintaining old cards improves average age of cards.
  • Credit lines can be moved from old cards to new cards.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that Citi counts the credit lines of recently-closed accounts for 3-6 months against your total available credit.
  • You can receive retention offers once every 6 months per card. See this thread for details on the latest retention offers.

Reasons to close accounts:
  • Having a large amount of available credit with Citi will eventually reduce your chances of instant approval. Your application will automatically be reviewed if your CL's total 75K or more. This may also result in a large disparity between existing account CL's and new CL's, such as 20K, 20K and 1K for a new card, as an example.
  • There is little incentive to pay an annual fee if it is not waived.
  • The annual fee on Business cards is rarely waived.
  • Having a large number of open Citi cards will show up on your credit report and may affect non-Citi applications as well as the overall age of your accounts.


5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
Anyone can apply for a business card. You do not need a registered business with an EIN. If you do not have a business with an EIN or with bills/accounts in the business name, you can apply using your name as the business. The three possibilities are that: 1. You could be approved unconditionally, 2. You could be asked to fax a couple of bills or accounts (water, electricity, gas, cable, or phone bills, bank accounts, etc.) in the name of the business to Citi, or 3. You could be required to fill out and send a 4506-T tax form. Whatever you do do not make up income etc. about the business. Plenty of people have been issued cards for businesses with $0 annual revenue, 1-5 employees, and 0 years in business.


6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
Purchases from banks are almost always coded as a cash advance regardless of what they are for. Purchases from stores, e.g. CVS, are almost always coded as a purchase.
If you are concerned about it, it’s recommended to send a secure message Citi and have them set your Cash Advance limit to zero. Phone CSRs often say they can not do this.


7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
It depends. First, the rebate program (which began in April 2012) applies only to holders of these cards:
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage Visa Signature
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World MasterCard
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World Elite MasterCard
  • Citi Select AAdvantage American Express
It does not apply to the Citi Gold World MasterCard, Citi Executive products, or some of the Citi Business cards.

Also, the maximum rebate for any cardholder in a single calendar year is 10,000 miles. Having more than one qualifying Citi AA card will not allow you to receive a larger rebate; the restriction applies per AAdvantage account.

For more on the 10% rebate benefit, see Citi 10% miles back / rebate for reward redemption.


8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
Yes. The name on the card application must match the name on the AAdvantage account. You cannot apply for multiple cards for different people and use the same AAdvantage account number. AA does not care or even know how many Citi accounts you have so there is no harm in having your AAdvantage account number associated with multiple cards in your name. If you forget to add your AAdvantage account number to your application, an AAdvantage account in your name will be created and can later be merged with your existing account by calling AA.


9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
You need to have faith in the people here if you want to maximize your miles. The people on this board constantly apply for these cards and report back what they are told are the benefits and what they actually receive. The way Citi works is that if you are approved for a card, you will get the bonus associated with the link you applied under as long as you make the minimum spend. It does not matter if you already had the card or anything else. If you are approved - then you get the bonus. The two exceptions to this are: 1. If you fail to clear your cache and accidentally load a cached application, you get the miles associated with that application and 2. Some people have recently succeeded in 'bumping the bonus' by contacting Citi and requesting a match to a 50K offer after applying for a 40K card. If you don't feel like trusting in the experiences of others, then apply for an offer with a landing page.


10. When will my bonus miles post?
Two working days after the date of the statement containing the charge that takes you across the spend threshold. It posts overnight, it'll be there when you check your AAdvantage account in the morning.


11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
No one knows exactly why this is happening to some people (Citi blames AA, AA blames Citi, and both blame the merger). It supposedly has something to do with the time it takes them to properly link your AAdvantage number to your card. There are two ways to deal with this:
  • Wait 1-2 statement periods, and see if the points post on their own. Per Citi, it can take this long for the accounts to link.
  • Call AA (1-800-882-8880) and open a case about it. Most people have had their miles post within 2 weeks of doing this.

For ongoing discussion, see Some AA Citi Card miles not transferred to AAdvantage accounts [Q3 2013 - Q1 2014]


12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
Yes, assuming you have set up the credit card in your Citi account. Quick and easy.


13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
When activating cards online, Citi normally displays the text:

"This account replaces your old account, which is now closed. Statements for your old account will be available for up to 6 months. Your current account summary and unbilled transactions are now listed under your new account number."
This is normal and is supposed to be displayed when activating a replacement card but it seems to display even when activating a brand new card. This is nothing to worry about.


14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?
Citi appears to use Experian most frequently, followed by Equifax. For some people they pull both. It depends on where you are located. You can check the Credit Boards database to see where card issuers have pulled recently.

For the most part, freezing Experian, or another bureau, will not cause Citi to pull a different bureau. They will almost certainly require you to unfreeze the bureau they wish to pull or deny your application. Some people have been successful providing the PIN but others have not. Mostly, freezing a credit bureau in an attempt to force Citi to pull a different one seems to waste time, money, and effort for little result. But YMMV.

For one person's experiences with various card issuers, check here.


For rules and info on any offers that include Admirals club passes or statement credits, see here.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by 119luke
I had applied for two citi cards (with 100k miles) before and met the min spend on those. I thought of applying for this one and waited for 65 days. On 66th day from applying for my very first card, I applied for this card with 50k miles bonus. I got a mail to call a number. I called and the customer service guy said that it is approved. But just before I hung up he asked me to be on hold and there was 2 minute silence. He came back, apologized and told me that the card was denied. The reason he said was that I was opening up cards too quickly.

I want to know
1) How long should I wait before I apply again for the personal card? Is it 65 days?

2)if it is ok to apply for the business version of this card which also offers 50k. But I don't own any business.

3) I need exactly 50k more miles to book a round trip for me and my family. That's why I chose this card. Are there any other offers for 50k aa bonus miles out there?
1. You now have to wait (12 to) 18 (to 26) months after you last opened one of the 100k cards, before you can open a non-Executive personal AA card.

2. You don't need a business. Just say you have $0 business income and 0 employees, give your name as the business name. They don't tend to ask about your business in that case. (And if they did by chance ask, you could say you were planning to resell some stuff on ebay, or whatever, and you wanted to keep that activity separate.)

3. How do you know you need exactly 50k more miles? Availability at a certain level of redemption can change at any time. And in case you see the award available right now for 50k more, that doesn't mean that it's still going to be around at that redemption level by the time you get 50k more.

(Unless you mean that you have no specific travel date in mind, and you're going keep waiting, no matter how many months or years it takes, until that level of award availability actually materializes.)

So if you can go for a 60k or 75k Exec card (I haven't been keeping up with the hour-to-hour changes in Executive card offer availability), that might be simpler, since you're already familiar with that process.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
2. You don't need a business. Just say you have $0 business income and 0 employees...
I'm sure you know this and misspoke, but for the benefit of others: there is no option for 0 employees. One has to choose "1-5 employees". This is technically a false statement since the applicant is the owner and not an employee, and there are no other employees, At first it bothered me make the incorrect statement, but there is no choice and Citi doesn't care.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly
I'm sure you know this and misspoke, but for the benefit of others: there is no option for 0 employees. One has to choose "1-5 employees". This is technically a false statement since the applicant is the owner and not an employee, and there are no other employees, At first it bothered me make the incorrect statement, but there is no choice and Citi doesn't care.
Have you ever heard the term "self employment"?
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
3. How do you know you need exactly 50k more miles? Availability at a certain level of redemption can change at any time. And in case you see the award available right now for 50k more, that doesn't mean that it's still going to be around at that redemption level by the time you get 50k more.
First of all, thank you so much for your time and answers. My friend recently booked the exact same trip and when I checked the last time in the website(https://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/...rtnerChart.jsp), I saw that it will take 45k from US to my destination (economy). I need to book for 3 and so 3X45k = 135k for one side and another 135k for the return. So total 270k. As I mentioned earlier, I have 220k from the 2 citi aa exec cards and min spent. So I thought 50k more would be enough for the whole trip (220k+50k).

My plan is to book the tickets around Aug-Sept. Do you foresee the mile requirements as mentioned in the above link to change? I read in the forum that when the merger with US Airways is complete, the miles value can degrade. But not sure to what extent.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 9:41 pm
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Originally Posted by 119luke
First of all, thank you so much for your time and answers. My friend recently booked the exact same trip and when I checked the last time in the website(https://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/...rtnerChart.jsp), I saw that it will take 45k from US to my destination (economy). I need to book for 3 and so 3X45k = 135k for one side and another 135k for the return. So total 270k. As I mentioned earlier, I have 220k from the 2 citi aa exec cards and min spent. So I thought 50k more would be enough for the whole trip (220k+50k).

My plan is to book the tickets around Aug-Sept. Do you foresee the mile requirements as mentioned in the above link to change? I read in the forum that when the merger with US Airways is complete, the miles value can degrade. But not sure to what extent.
Nobody here knows those things. I wish they did. Speaking from my actions, however, I've used AA miles to book my trips for the next year because of concern over devaluations. Just get the miles and hope for the best. That's all you can do. Don't get caught up in the masturbatory speculation.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by 119luke
I need to book for 3 and so 3X45k = 135k for one side and another 135k for the return. So total 270k.
If you're using a partner award, the partner has to offer availability in its LOWEST award level for that seat to be available using AA miles. 3 seats on the same flight can be difficult...

You may want to check actual availability for your dates and, if available, get your spending done very quickly.
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 1:39 am
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Thanks MDtR-Chicago. I will give a call to AA award ticket cs and check the general availability.
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
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2. You don't need a business. Just say you have $0 business income and 0 employees, give your name as the business name. They don't tend to ask about your business in that case. (And if they did by chance ask, you could say you were planning to resell some stuff on ebay, or whatever, and you wanted to keep that activity separate.)

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Haven't applied for Citi Biz card in the last 3 yrs. Last time I was turned down was because they said didnt have the biz long enough (put in less than a yr)and didnt have enough biz income ( I also put in $0 biz income). Not sure if they would've given me the card back then if I had put in different numbers on the app.

Now planning to apply for the Citi AA biz card again. I currently have 2 AA personal platinium cards open from last yr multiple app. and also 1 AA bronze card which I have for several yrs now.
Wondering if I should close some of those AA personal cards before applying for the biz card for better chance of approval or just leave them open as maybe it dont matter either way. Any thoughts on this.
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by 119luke
I saw that it will take 45k from US to my destination (economy). I need to book for 3 and so 3X45k = 135k for one side and another 135k for the return. So total 270k. As I mentioned earlier, I have 220k from the 2 citi aa exec cards and min spent. So I thought 50k more would be enough for the whole trip (220k+50k).

My plan is to book the tickets around Aug-Sept. Do you foresee the mile requirements as mentioned in the above link to change?
First of all, there is quite limited avialbility at these levels. (And on partner flights, there are no higher levels for "any seat", like there are on AA's own planes.) So you can try booking around Aug-Sept, but whether you'll have success at that point, or have to wait many more months for that much (3 seats!) to open up, that's a big quesiton. And so it's not just a matter of whether the award chart will change by the time you want to try to book, it's whether it will change by the time you can book.

For some histrical precedents: UA changed its partner award chart early this year, with only a few months' warning. AA already changed some other charts (not partner awards) already this year, with no warning!

Also, there's another possiblity: There are restrictions on routing for the 45k level. There's a possiblity that there will no availability on the routings that qualify for the 45k level, but other routings that may have availability may require more miles. (It would help if you could explain which region you're flying to. For example, US to India is one of the 45k destinations, but it's only 45k on trans-atlantic routings; if you can only find a trans-pacific routing, which is often the case for people trying to get from US to Inida on AA partners, especially without high "YQ" fees on BA, that would be more miles.)
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 12:43 pm
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I opened the AA Plat a/c on Aug 16, 2013. My statement closes around 23rd of every month. I'm wondering charges posting to my statement in Aug 2014 will count towards the $30,000 spend requirement for this year or towards next year.

I have the following terms and conditions for the $100 discount. My guess is it will count towards next year if the charges post after Aug 16th and if they are before 16th, it will be towards this year.

Earn a $100 American Airlines Flight Discount when you spend $30,000 or more in purchases on your Citi® / AAdvantage® credit card during your cardmembership year (each 12 month period prior to your anniversary date) and your account remains open for at least 45 days after your anniversary. If the $30,000 purchase requirement was met during your cardmembership year and your account remains open for at least 45 days after your anniversary, please allow 8-12 weeks for the Flight Discount delivery.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 1:01 pm
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Confused about the FAQ. Help?

I have a question regarding the FAQ:

"1.Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are: Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old cards."
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Are you sure it is not 12-26 months after I cancel the card? For example, I opened at AAdvantage Citi (Platinum) on 07/2013. I closed it today (07/2014) because of the annual fee. When can I churn this exact card again? Because 12-26 is a wide spread and it's YMMV. Any suggestions? Is there a way to check that "I'm not in the system" anymore prior to submitting an application?

Also, are business cards churnable if I open it under different LLCs?

Thanks FT!

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Old Jul 23, 2014, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by firsttimeflying
I have a question regarding the FAQ:

"1.Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are: Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old cards."
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Are you sure it is not 12-26 months after I cancel the card?
Yes, we're sure. While other banks do, Citi never counts from cancellation, and other than for business cards (for most people) it doesn't even require cancellation.


Originally Posted by firsttimeflying
For example, I opened at AAdvantage Citi (Platinum) on 07/2013. I closed it today (07/2014) because of the annual fee.
You probably could have kept it open and still not paid the annual fee. See here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/credi...all-cards.html

Originally Posted by firsttimeflying
When can I churn this exact card again? Because 12-26 is a wide spread and it's YMMV. Any suggestions? Is there a way to check that "I'm not in the system" anymore prior to submitting an application?
No, there's no way to check. The "sweet spot" (in terms of statistics) is around 18 months, ie more people get approved by 18 months than not. Some get approved earlier (as early as 12 months), and a few don't get approved until 26 months.

Given that you're only 12 months from when you opened the previous one, there's a slight chance you'd get approved but a way bigger chance that you'd get rejected.

Originally Posted by firsttimeflying
Also, are business cards churnable if I open it under different LLCs?
I don't know what you mean by "different LLCs". You can open a business card without having a busness; just use your name as the business name, 0 years in business, 1-5 employees.

As to whether it's churnable, that's another YMMV. Most people need to wait for the bonus to post, then cancel both the business card and its associated master account, and additionally wait at least 95* days since the previuos business card was opened, before they can open another business card. But some people get denied for a second card apparently despite that.

*It's officially 90 days, but Citi tends to count days wrong, so never take an official Citi count at face value.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
Yes, we're sure. While other banks do, Citi never counts from cancellation, and other than for business cards (for most people) it doesn't even require cancellation.




You probably could have kept it open and still not paid the annual fee. See here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/credi...all-cards.html


No, there's no way to check. The "sweet spot" (in terms of statistics) is around 18 months, ie more people get approved by 18 months than not. Some get approved earlier (as early as 12 months), and a few don't get approved until 26 months.

Given that you're only 12 months from when you opened the previous one, there's a slight chance you'd get approved but a way bigger chance that you'd get rejected.



I don't know what you mean by "different LLCs". You can open a business card without having a busness; just use your name as the business name, 0 years in business, 1-5 employees.

As to whether it's churnable, that's another YMMV. Most people need to wait for the bonus to post, then cancel both the business card and its associated master account, and additionally wait at least 95* days since the previuos business card was opened, before they can open another business card. But some people get denied for a second card apparently despite that.

*It's officially 90 days, but Citi tends to count days wrong, so never take an official Citi count at face value.

Thank you sdsearch! Great information. Just to confirm, for churning the sweet spot is roughly 18 months. Does that include (or in fact, matter) if the card is open or do all cards that are churned need to be closed?

When you say "master account" do you mean the primary accountholder? Or the first business card you opened? Thanks again, sdsearch!

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Old Jul 23, 2014, 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by firsttimeflying
Thank you sdsearch! Great information. Just to confirm, for churning the sweet spot is roughly 18 months. Does that include (or in fact, matter) if the card is open or do all cards that are churned need to be closed?

When you say "master account" do you mean the primary accountholder? Or the first business card you opened? Thanks again, sdsearch!
Reading through appropriate threads will give you better ideas on what to do than any quick answer you'll get here.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 4:50 pm
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Just got denied for my 2nd AA Business Card. The reason given was that I had too many open and closed accounts for Citi. The most recent closed account was the Personal AA card in January. The only account now I had with them is the World Master Elite.

Anybody got rejected for the same reason I did?
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