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SEE NEW THREAD - 50K AA Cards


As of Sunday August 25, 2013:
Reports indicate personal cards can no longer be rapidly churned.

Click HERE to review the previous thread on this topic.

Recommended Application Procedure:
Clear cache and cookies prior to applying or use an incognito or private browsing session to apply. Opening multiple different apps in different windows or tabs or failing to clear cookies/cache has resulted in people receiving a lesser offer.

For information on the Executive version of this card, with $450 annual fee, not waived, see: Up to 100k miles Citi Executive AAdvantage offers

MOST CURRENT 50K LINKS:

Citi Personal and Business:50K miles & two Admirals Club one-day passes after $3000 spend in 3 months, $95 fee waived first year.

Citi AA Platinum Personal Mastercard, 50,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here. This is a CHIP and Signature card.

Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC requires $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to this application page.

OTHER PERSONAL CARDS

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year.

Citi Gold Mastercard. 25,000 miles after $750 spend in 3 months. $50 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here

If you are already a Citigold customer, read this post from the Miles Professor about another 50K offer from your branch office for the American Airlines credit card.

OTHER BUSINESS CARDS

Citi Business MasterCard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.


Citibank Contacts/Resources (Please add the others that you know)
  • Application status: https://www.accountonline.com/cards/...?screenID=3187
  • (800) 695-5171 – Personal Application Status and Reconsideration Line with live rep
  • (800) 763-9795 – General Personal Application Inquiries with live rep
  • (800) 645-7240 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (800) 288-4653 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (866) 606-2787 – General Application and Account Questions with live rep
  • (888) 201-4523 – Application status
  • (866) 606-2961 – Reconsideration Line.
  • Twitter : @AskCiti. Very powerful tool.
  • Executive Office - useful for getting a more empowered agent for reconsideration purposes: CitiBank Executive Review Department, P.O. Box 6000, Sioux Falls, SD 57117

FAQ
  1. Are these AA cards churnable?
  2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
  4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
  5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
  6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
  7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
  8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
  9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
  10. When will my bonus miles post?
  11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
  12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
  13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
  14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?

1. Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are:
  • Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards in this thread can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum card and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first or the Executive card will restart the clock. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old personal cards.
    • Note: You cannot circumvent this rule by applying for a card type different from your previous Citi AA card. If your last personal AA card was a Visa, the waiting period for your next personal AA card will be the same regardless of whether you apply for a Visa, MC, or Amex.

  • Business AA cards: have been churnable repeatedly by some people without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Apply once every 91-95 days. For unknown reasons, some other people have been unable to churn business cards at all. Also, some (but not all) people need to completely cancel their previous business card (ie, cancel both the card account and the associated master account) before they can apply for another business card.

    Note: If you encounter difficulty in obtaining a Citi AA business card after holding one before, it may because of the unusual way Citi sets up business accounts. The business account per se has its own master number; like a standard MC/Visa, this master account number is 16 digits. In addition, each card on the account has its own 16-digit card number. Each of these numbers, including the number for the primary cardholder, is different from the master account number.

    Sometimes, when you call to close your card account, all the card numbers are canceled but the master account remains open. When this happens, subsequent applications for a business card may encounter difficulty. Online, there should be a dropdown of accounts under your business login; the number that match your card number is your card account, the number that does not match your card number is your master account. When cancelling, ask to cancel both accounts, giving the last 4 digts of each (as shown in that dropdown).


2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  • Only 1 Citi application of any kind per week (8 days to be safe).
  • No more than 2 Citi applications of any kind in 60 days (65 days to be safe).
  • No more than 1 Citi business application in 90 days (95 to be safe). This does not override the rules above.

While the day limits are a little flexible by a few days either way and YMMV, the rules themselves are not flexible. Note: In applying the rules above, count all Citi applications, including denials and/or applications for non-AA cards.

Mixed type Example:
Day 1 60K HHonors Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 66 or later 50K Business #1
Day 74 or later 60K Executive
Day 161 or later 50K Business #2
18 Months, 74 days or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa

Not sure what day you applied? The date is written year, month, day in the application number: 201402280000 means you applied on Feb 28, 2014


3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
No. There is no requirement that you close previous personal accounts. People have reported having 4 or more of the exact same card. However, many people have reported problems getting AA Business cards if they have an open Business account.


4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
This is a matter of personal preference. Citi cards can be closed immediately after receiving a bonus and paying off the balance. There are no verifiable reports of Citi clawing back miles (exception - miles were clawed back for returned merchandise around November 2011).

Reasons to keep accounts open:
  • Having large credit lines improves your utilization percentage.
  • Maintaining old cards improves average age of cards.
  • Credit lines can be moved from old cards to new cards.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that Citi counts the credit lines of recently-closed accounts for 3-6 months against your total available credit.
  • You can receive retention offers once every 6 months per card. See this thread for details on the latest retention offers.

Reasons to close accounts:
  • Having a large amount of available credit with Citi will eventually reduce your chances of instant approval. Your application will automatically be reviewed if your CL's total 75K or more. This may also result in a large disparity between existing account CL's and new CL's, such as 20K, 20K and 1K for a new card, as an example.
  • There is little incentive to pay an annual fee if it is not waived.
  • The annual fee on Business cards is rarely waived.
  • Having a large number of open Citi cards will show up on your credit report and may affect non-Citi applications as well as the overall age of your accounts.


5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
Anyone can apply for a business card. You do not need a registered business with an EIN. If you do not have a business with an EIN or with bills/accounts in the business name, you can apply using your name as the business. The three possibilities are that: 1. You could be approved unconditionally, 2. You could be asked to fax a couple of bills or accounts (water, electricity, gas, cable, or phone bills, bank accounts, etc.) in the name of the business to Citi, or 3. You could be required to fill out and send a 4506-T tax form. Whatever you do do not make up income etc. about the business. Plenty of people have been issued cards for businesses with $0 annual revenue, 1-5 employees, and 0 years in business.


6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
Purchases from banks are almost always coded as a cash advance regardless of what they are for. Purchases from stores, e.g. CVS, are almost always coded as a purchase.
If you are concerned about it, it’s recommended to send a secure message Citi and have them set your Cash Advance limit to zero. Phone CSRs often say they can not do this.


7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
It depends. First, the rebate program (which began in April 2012) applies only to holders of these cards:
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage Visa Signature
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World MasterCard
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World Elite MasterCard
  • Citi Select AAdvantage American Express
It does not apply to the Citi Gold World MasterCard, Citi Executive products, or some of the Citi Business cards.

Also, the maximum rebate for any cardholder in a single calendar year is 10,000 miles. Having more than one qualifying Citi AA card will not allow you to receive a larger rebate; the restriction applies per AAdvantage account.

For more on the 10% rebate benefit, see Citi 10% miles back / rebate for reward redemption.


8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
Yes. The name on the card application must match the name on the AAdvantage account. You cannot apply for multiple cards for different people and use the same AAdvantage account number. AA does not care or even know how many Citi accounts you have so there is no harm in having your AAdvantage account number associated with multiple cards in your name. If you forget to add your AAdvantage account number to your application, an AAdvantage account in your name will be created and can later be merged with your existing account by calling AA.


9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
You need to have faith in the people here if you want to maximize your miles. The people on this board constantly apply for these cards and report back what they are told are the benefits and what they actually receive. The way Citi works is that if you are approved for a card, you will get the bonus associated with the link you applied under as long as you make the minimum spend. It does not matter if you already had the card or anything else. If you are approved - then you get the bonus. The two exceptions to this are: 1. If you fail to clear your cache and accidentally load a cached application, you get the miles associated with that application and 2. Some people have recently succeeded in 'bumping the bonus' by contacting Citi and requesting a match to a 50K offer after applying for a 40K card. If you don't feel like trusting in the experiences of others, then apply for an offer with a landing page.


10. When will my bonus miles post?
Two working days after the date of the statement containing the charge that takes you across the spend threshold. It posts overnight, it'll be there when you check your AAdvantage account in the morning.


11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
No one knows exactly why this is happening to some people (Citi blames AA, AA blames Citi, and both blame the merger). It supposedly has something to do with the time it takes them to properly link your AAdvantage number to your card. There are two ways to deal with this:
  • Wait 1-2 statement periods, and see if the points post on their own. Per Citi, it can take this long for the accounts to link.
  • Call AA (1-800-882-8880) and open a case about it. Most people have had their miles post within 2 weeks of doing this.

For ongoing discussion, see Some AA Citi Card miles not transferred to AAdvantage accounts [Q3 2013 - Q1 2014]


12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
Yes, assuming you have set up the credit card in your Citi account. Quick and easy.


13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
When activating cards online, Citi normally displays the text:

"This account replaces your old account, which is now closed. Statements for your old account will be available for up to 6 months. Your current account summary and unbilled transactions are now listed under your new account number."
This is normal and is supposed to be displayed when activating a replacement card but it seems to display even when activating a brand new card. This is nothing to worry about.


14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?
Citi appears to use Experian most frequently, followed by Equifax. For some people they pull both. It depends on where you are located. You can check the Credit Boards database to see where card issuers have pulled recently.

For the most part, freezing Experian, or another bureau, will not cause Citi to pull a different bureau. They will almost certainly require you to unfreeze the bureau they wish to pull or deny your application. Some people have been successful providing the PIN but others have not. Mostly, freezing a credit bureau in an attempt to force Citi to pull a different one seems to waste time, money, and effort for little result. But YMMV.

For one person's experiences with various card issuers, check here.


For rules and info on any offers that include Admirals club passes or statement credits, see here.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 8:14 pm
  #1696  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Originally Posted by tormapleaf
Applied today for a CitiBusiness AAdvantage World Card.

I called with my ID number and was told that I was denied on basis that I closed a card in May. They told me to call Customer Service to look into re-opening.

Called reconsideration and was told that I had opened and closed the same card several times.

Any Suggestions?

Thanks.
Business cards are churnable repeatedly without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Some people have had problems if the old account is not closed first. Some people have had problems if both the business account (16 digits) and the individual card accounts (16 digits each) are not closed first. Some people have been unable to churn these at all.
It is possible you are now falling into category 3.

You can always try telling them that this is a new business you are starting. You have had a number of startups fail over the years but you always pay off your debts, blah, blah. Who knows?
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by MannyCPA
I’m new to this and I think I screwed up. I signed up for the 50K offer using the link provided in this thread. However, immediately after applying I remembered that I received an offer in the mail with a special link and code so I went ahead and applied for that (basically 2 applications within 15 minutes). Citi rejected the first and accepted the second and I called and confirmed that the offer was for 50K points. However, because I submitted 2 applications back to back does this mean I can’t churn after 7 days and I have to wait 60+ more days?
My guess is that you are out of luck for 60+ days. This is what happened to me a couple of times during the first half of this year as the rules kept shifting and I was trying to figure out what they were. If you want you can try again in 8 days but there is the possibility you will get another pull and if it fails it will almost certainly require 60+ days from the new application.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 8:41 pm
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I already get the card for this promotion :"Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. " Am I able to call Citi Customer Service line to upgrade the promotion to "Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year"?

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 9:20 pm
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Data point:

Got AA Amex in Feb, AA Visa biz in April (2BM failed in Feb to get Visa and Amex at same time). Only Citi cards I have.

Approved via chat.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 9:42 pm
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I'm still curious about the application example in the wiki. Could I do like Day 1, Day 9, Day 65, Day 74 for 4 applications of 50k Visa? Is there a specific reason why a biz card on Day 74?
Thanks
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 12:01 am
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More datapoints using the 50k offer link:

7/25 - Instant approval.
8/5 - Pending approval. Called reconsideration and approved after moving some credit around.

The most recent Citi AA personal applications/approvals were using the two browser trick in November 2012. The most recent Citi Business application/approval was in February 2013. I've applied for 10+ cards in the last 12 months.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 7:46 am
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Looks like an easy 100k points for 6k spend. Did this last year with non AA Visa/MC using two browsers to submit apps at the same time.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by mrsmsr
I'm still curious about the application example in the wiki. Could I do like Day 1, Day 9, Day 65, Day 74 for 4 applications of 50k Visa? Is there a specific reason why a biz card on Day 74?
Thanks
Variety. No, based on the current situation there is not a specific reason to go for the business until Citi changes the rules on the personal cards.
The examples are just possibilities, feel free to mix and match cards as best fits your needs and spending abilities. Just follow the 8, 65 and 95 day rules.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
That's not "two hard inquiries". That's "one hard inquiry at each of two bureaus". That's completely different.

If you read back in the thread, (a) it's been mentioned a lot lately, and (b) it may not matter, depending on who pulls what later. It doesn't add to your inquiry count (the way a bank will count them next time one looks). Banks count inquires on a per-bureau basis.

So all getting one inquiry on two bureaus means is that the bank where you do the next app is more likely to see that one inquiry, not that it's going to see two inquiries.
Yes, they only see one inquiry which really depends on which CR they pull from. The thing is for me Chase mostly pulls Equifax and Amex pulls Experian. So it's really annoying that Citi pulled both...
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by JRomulus
Agree totally. I will never allow 2 hard pulls simultaneously for one cc app, just not worth it. (I hate that I get 2 when I buy or lease a car, dealer and then finance co. I ask them who they pull ahead of time and tell them I need to unfreeze one for them).

That's why I only open one of the 3 frozen CRA's when I decide to app. In this case I unfroze Equifax only (since I knew from experience this is Citi's main CRA in IL) and made it impossible for them to hit more than one. PLUS I bank and have other cards with Citi, so like my other banks, they soft me periodically.

Approved on 8/9 for the Platinum Visa.
Good idea. I'll freeze mine next time. Thanks for the info.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 8:27 am
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Tried searching on this forum but couldn't find it (credit and points bring back pretty much everything). I was wondering how many points on average hard pulls are reducing others credit scores and how long it takes to get those points back? I got hit with 6 point hits on my last 3 (-18). I've gotten 9 cards this year (3 each quarter) and have seen my credit score drop around 30 points this year. My house is paid off, cars are paid off (this actually dropped my score a little due to credit history average length), all cards paid off in full every month. I've dropped from 806 to 768. Is that pretty normal and will it slowly start inching back up or maybe maintain as I still churn? Started churning 3 per quarter about July of last year, so I'm just past the year mark of doing 3 per quarter. I'm just getting nervous that I'm at the range of not getting approved anymore. If there is a link to a thread on this, I would appreciate it if someone would post it for me.

Also here's a good link to the credit freeze fees for those wondering as it pops up often in this thread: https://help.equifax.com/app/answers...id/75/search/1

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Old Aug 14, 2013, 8:44 am
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Smile Need advice

I was a little bit confused about the application days I should stick on.

I applied for a 50K Personal Platinum Visa on 6/23/13 and was instance approved fro 6.5k CL. The bonus was credited to my AA account already.
Now I'm thinking of apply more cards before the trick was dead. According to wiki, the order supposed be:

Day 1 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa #2
Day 66 or later 40K Business #1
Day 74 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa #3
Day 161 or later 40K Business #2

In my case, Day 1 is 6/23/13.

If I apply today or some day later this week, it will be counted as Day 50ish.

Another application on Day 65ish which should be nine days apart from Day50ish (some day this week) and 65 days apart from Day 1 (6/23/2013).

Then the fourth one would be Day 65ish + nine days?

I'm so confused.

Or a better way would be I hold on till 8/30. That would be 65days from 6/23 my 1st application. Starting then I follow the wiki and make 8/30 as my Day 1. This will be much more clear than the previous situation. However, if I could apply, sooner than later as you will never know when citi will pull everything back.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by zhengqiji
I was a little bit confused about the application days I should stick on.

I applied for a 50K Personal Platinum Visa on 6/23/13 and was instance approved fro 6.5k CL. The bonus was credited to my AA account already.
Now I'm thinking of apply more cards before the trick was dead. According to wiki, the order supposed be:

Day 1 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa #2
Day 66 or later 40K Business #1
Day 74 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa #3
Day 161 or later 40K Business #2

In my case, Day 1 is 6/23/13.

If I apply today or some day later this week, it will be counted as Day 50ish.

Another application on Day 65ish which should be nine days apart from Day50ish (some day this week) and 65 days apart from Day 1 (6/23/2013).

Then the fourth one would be Day 65ish + nine days?

I'm so confused.

Or a better way would be I hold on till 8/30. That would be 65days from 6/23 my 1st application. Starting then I follow the wiki and make 8/30 as my Day 1. This will be much more clear than the previous situation. However, if I could apply, sooner than later as you will never know when citi will pull everything back.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

No more than two applications within 65 days. If you do your second application on Day 50ish and the third on Day 60ish, then the fourth one should be at least 65 days after Day 50ish.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 9:30 am
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zhengqiji - one app per 7-8 day period, 2 apps per 65 day period. You can get a second card anytime, and a third card 8 (or more) days later as long as that is also 65 days after the first. Your fourth card would have to be 65 days after the second or you will be declined for 3 apps within 65 days.
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 10:05 am
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Thanks for the info. I was able to apply for 2 Citi AA cards this month.
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