Lifting Zero Covid Policy
Dec 7, 2022, 12:48 am
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Here are the actual documents:
Announcement:
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/gzzcwj/202...fc94e0f0.shtml
Q&A document:
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/fkdt/20221...de079561.shtml
Doesn't say anything about travel from outside of the country.
For travel inside the country, from the first doc (lazy google translate)
Which is being interpreted as "non-high risk districts cannot block people from entering or leaving"
Announcement:
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/gzzcwj/202...fc94e0f0.shtml
Q&A document:
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/fkdt/20221...de079561.shtml
Doesn't say anything about travel from outside of the country.
For travel inside the country, from the first doc (lazy google translate)
The eighth is to ensure the normal operation of society and basic medical services. Non-high-risk areas shall not restrict the flow of people, and shall not suspend work, production, or business.
Last edited by gudugan; Dec 7, 2022 at 1:03 am
Dec 7, 2022, 5:28 pm
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We will just wait to see what are going to happen early next year.
Dec 12, 2022, 8:39 pm
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The contract tracing app is dead
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...re-2022-12-12/
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...re-2022-12-12/
Beijing has dropped mandatory testing prior to many public activities, reined in quarantine, and by early Tuesday will have deactivated a state-mandated mobile app used to track the travel histories of a population of 1.4 billion people.
Dec 14, 2022, 11:30 pm
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No more reporting asymptomatic case numbers
Lots of sources here https://sinocism.com/p/victory-will-...ssential-eight
Lots of sources here https://sinocism.com/p/victory-will-...ssential-eight
Dec 22, 2022, 3:43 am
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An infectious disease expert confirmed that not all deaths of Covid patients will count as Covid deaths in China.
Deceased Covid patients who also suffered from underlying conditions such as cardiovascular disease will not be included in the Covid death tally if it turns out that their condition was the primary cause of death, said Wang Guiqiang, director of the infectious disease department at Peking University First Hospital.
Deceased Covid patients who also suffered from underlying conditions such as cardiovascular disease will not be included in the Covid death tally if it turns out that their condition was the primary cause of death, said Wang Guiqiang, director of the infectious disease department at Peking University First Hospital.
Dec 22, 2022, 4:40 am
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Dec 22, 2022, 10:41 am
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I don't really care about their face saving nomenclature for identifying causes of death. What I care about is that they are finally opening up and ending what was becoming their stupidest policy since the CR struggle sessions.
Just end the quarantine already, it's more likely for the quarantined patient to get COVID from the dabai poking their nose now than the other way around.
Just end the quarantine already, it's more likely for the quarantined patient to get COVID from the dabai poking their nose now than the other way around.
Dec 22, 2022, 1:53 pm
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https://www.cna.com.tw/news/acn/202212220335.aspx
They do keep track of the numbers tho, only withholding it from the public.
~250 million infected already, over 50% in Beijing infected
They do keep track of the numbers tho, only withholding it from the public.
~250 million infected already, over 50% in Beijing infected
Dec 22, 2022, 4:13 pm
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China going the complete opposite way is interesting, if nothing else.
I would have preferred a system that is somewhere in the middle, which would have been more honest, but whatever.
We seem to have had only two versions:
1) EVERYONE died of Covid
2) NO ONE died of Covid
Quarantine on entry won't last too much longer. My guess is that it's a formality only at this point to change the regulations, but they are simply swamped with other stuff, and simply haven't got around to it yet.
Matter of days or a few weeks now, I reckon.
Last edited by narvik; Dec 22, 2022 at 4:24 pm
Dec 22, 2022, 4:18 pm
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https://www.cna.com.tw/news/acn/202212220335.aspx
They do keep track of the numbers tho, only withholding it from the public.
~250 million infected already, over 50% in Beijing infected
They do keep track of the numbers tho, only withholding it from the public.
~250 million infected already, over 50% in Beijing infected
Withholding estimates from the public doesn't really have quite the impact.
And if half of your office/school/factory/WeChat group is out sick with Covid, I am pretty sure most Chinese can figure out themselves that their city's infection rate is ~50% and don't need the govt. to tell them their estimates.
Dec 22, 2022, 8:13 pm
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What is going to be a problem for science is if they hide the IFR or CFR, which they can well calculate. It would enlightening to see if COVID indeed got milder (or not) by testing its spread in a very immunologically naïve population such as China. Or to be able to make comparisons between the mRNA vaccines and the traditional ones developed in China.
Dec 22, 2022, 8:21 pm
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What is going to be a problem for science is if they hide the IFR or CFR, which they can well calculate. It would enlightening to see if COVID indeed got milder (or not) by testing its spread in a very immunologically naïve population such as China. Or to be able to make comparisons between the mRNA vaccines and the traditional ones developed in China.
Granted I'm not sure this distinction was clear in other nations but it will be clear as mud in China.