Originally Posted by steveb1955 (Post 33858703)

I'm fully vaccinated with Sinovac, and by the time I return to China will also be fully jabbed with Moderna. I'm hoping that I can just declare the Sinovac and not have to take the IgM test....

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33869768)

A friend of mine just sent me a text that CAAC has issued the following flights will be suspended:

MU 588 JFK to PVG
AA127 DFW to PVG
AC 025 YVR to PVG
UA 857 SFO to PVG

I don't have the official text. Does anyone have more information?
I am scheduled on UA 857 on Jan 9 (arrive on Jan 10). Hope the effective date is after my travel.

Originally Posted by gudugan (Post 33869846)

Don’t see anything yet but it should show up here: ???????--????

2022-01-04 post is for other flights

caacnews1979 on wechat will probably write it up first

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33869768)

I am scheduled on UA 857 on Jan 9 (arrive on Jan 10). Hope the effective date is after my travel.

Originally Posted by yoyo (Post 33871149)

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33869840)

I took both SinoVac and Pfizer, and was hoping no to do the igM test, but got into trouble with the Chinese Consulate. I would suggest you declare all your shots and take all necessary tests as required. Others may have different experience, but you want to play it safe instead of being blacklisted (subjectively determined). It is only a test not a big deal.

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33869768)

A friend of mine just sent me a text that CAAC has issued the following flights will be suspended:

MU 588 JFK to PVG
AA127 DFW to PVG
AC 025 YVR to PVG
UA 857 SFO to PVG

I don't have the official text. Does anyone have more information?
I am scheduled on UA 857 on Jan 9 (arrive on Jan 10). Hope the effective date is after my travel.

Originally Posted by kb1992 (Post 33872514)

Your flight 857 on Jan.9 is suspended by CAAC, unless UA decides to accept 40% capacity for 4 weeks.

Originally Posted by Perpetuum (Post 33874481)

...The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days....

Originally Posted by Perpetuum (Post 33874481)

Hi - the CAAC website says: 自1月10日起，分别暂停上述4个航班运行2班。Translation: "Since January 10, the operations of the above 4 flights will be suspended for 2 flights." The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days. Does anybody else know more? I'm booked on UA857 on January 19. With Omnicron ripping through the mainland, and the response being massive lockdowns, I might just put my trip off for a few months. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by tauphi (Post 33874887)

It actually says suspended for two flights, and not two days. As these flights operate once per week, two flights = two weeks.

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33872763)

I called UA, but continued to get the response the flight on Jan 9 is not affected. Where do you get the information you shared above?

Originally Posted by Perpetuum (Post 33874481)

Hi - the CAAC website says: 自1月10日起，分别暂停上述4个航班运行2班。Translation: "Since January 10, the operations of the above 4 flights will be suspended for 2 flights." The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days. Does anybody else know more? I'm booked on UA857 on January 19. With Omnicron ripping through the mainland, and the response being massive lockdowns, I might just put my trip off for a few months. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by kb1992 (Post 33875674)

From my understanding, the CAAC order says UA 857 is suspended for two weeks for Sunday arrival effective Jan. 10. This means the flights arriving on Jan. 16 and 23. Therefore, UA 857 departing on Jan. 15 and 22 are suspended.

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33875778)

Oh, that's quite an odd way of handling it, IMO. But what do I know?

Originally Posted by kb1992 (Post 33876136)

Not really odd.

From China's point of view, they don't care when the inbound aircraft takes off. They don't bother to calculate the time difference. They just refuse to accept UA's flight arriving on Sunday (anytime) because it was the guilty flight carrying more than 5 positive cases on a Sunday.

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33876270)

The Sunday flights arrive on Monday, but that seems irrelevant. The 'offending' flight was December 26; they let Jan 2 and Jan 9 go, then stop Jan 16 and Jan 23, then all is good again. And none of the Wednesday and Friday flights are suspended.
Yes, that's odd to me.

Originally Posted by steveb1955 (Post 33858319)

Great to see some good news regarding re-entry to China, the scrapping of the need to take the IgM test when flying back, hopefully it will make returning a bit easier and cheaper...
In order to prevent the further spread of Covid-19 and protect the health and safety of travellers from the UK to China, starting from 6th January 2022, people fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines who are travelling from the UK to China need to take two PCR tests instead of the previously required one PCR test and one IgM test.

The detailed instructions are as follows:

Ⅰ. For travellers who are fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines, and whose flights will take off and depart the UK after 00:00 am, 6th January 2022, two PCR tests are required instead of one PCR test and one IgM test.

Ⅱ. Both PCR tests must be done in Chinese Embassy-designated clinics. They can be taken in two clinics separately or in one clinic. If the two PCR tests are taken in one clinic, two samples must be collected and the two samples must be sent to two different laboratories. The name of the laboratory must be quoted on the respective test report.

Ⅲ. With the enforcement of this Supplementary Notice, travellers who are fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines must, when applying for the HDC green code, upload two PCR test reports as well as their proof of vaccination.

Ⅳ. Travellers fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines refer to the people who have received all the necessary doses with required time intervals. For example, full vaccination of two-dose inactivated vaccines requires two doses with the second dose received at least 14 days after the first dose. If the second dose is taken less than 14 days after the first dose, the receiver is regarded as not fully vaccinated.

Ⅴ. Travellers who have received the live attenuated vaccines after or before being fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines count as being fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines.

Ⅵ. Travellers whose flight departing the UK leaves before 00:00 am on 6th January 2022, or who are not fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines shall follow the requirements of previous notices when applying for the HDC green code.

Ⅶ. Whether one is fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines or not, the requirement for Day-7 prior test remains the same.

Ⅷ. All the time mentioned in this Notice is London local time. If the flight is delayed, the original scheduled time on the itinerary prevails.
Supplementary Notice for Travellers Fully Inoculated with Inactivated Vaccines

2021-12-31 05:24

Supplementary Notice for Travellers Fully Inoculated with Inactivated Vaccines

Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 33877880)

Which COVID-19 vaccines are considered inactivated? Which are live attenuated? Are Moderna and Pfizer in either category? (My understanding would be that the answer to the last question is NO.)

Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 33877880)

Which COVID-19 vaccines are considered inactivated? Which are live attenuated? Are Moderna and Pfizer in either category? (My understanding would be that the answer to the last question is NO.)

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33877955)

I don't know what they mean with "live attenuated vaccine", because AFAIK, there isn't even one of those available yet. (Codagenix is working on one).

- Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna = mRNA
- AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, The Gamalaya Center, CanSino Biologics = Adenovirus vector
- Sinopharm, Sinovac Biotech = Inactivated virus
- Codagenix (in development) = Live attenuated

My best guess is:
for the purposes of this announcement, China looks at their vaccines as INACTIVATED, and all others as LIVE ATTENUATED, despite that being incorrect?


Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8354792/
and
https://www.immunology.org/coronavir...s-for-covid-19

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33872763)

I called UA, but continued to get the response the flight on Jan 9 is not affected. Where do you get the information you shared above?

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33879041)

Thank you kb1992, narvik and uani for all your helpful explanations.

Looks like I am good Jan 9 UA857 flight if I get all the right tests tomorrow at the Northern California clinic and receive the green coide.

Not looking forward to the 14+7quarantine in Shanghai and additional 7-day monitoring in Beijing. This will be my third quanrantine in Shanghai.

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33879041)

Not looking forward to the 14+7quarantine in Shanghai and additional 7-day monitoring in Beijing. This will be my third quanrantine in Shanghai.

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33876270)

Yes, that's odd to me.

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33894353)

Thought so:
United seems to have canceled (or forced to cancel) ALL flights SFO-[ICN]-PVG until February 9th....
At least they don't seem to be bookable for passengers (potentially just booked full?). Are the flights still going, maybe for cargo only?
Are they flying without passengers to China, then with passengers back PCG-[ICN]-SFO?

Originally Posted by YariGuy (Post 33896998)

Basically all flights from the USA to China are suspended for different lengths for the next month or so. Ostensibly it's because of positive cases onboard, but conspiracy theorists will say it's Olympics related.

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33900280)

Having difficulties finding a +7 hotel in Shanghai after my current 14-day isolated quarantine ends.

The hotels I stayed the previously have all changed policy not accepting +7 stay.

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33900280)

Having difficulties finding a +7 hotel in Shanghai after my current 14-day isolated quarantine ends.

The hotels I stayed the previously have all changed policy not accepting +7 stay.

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33900954)

Are you looking for suggestions? Do you have a preferred area?

Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 33900967)

No particular area, but I was hoping for a Hyatt brand hotel. Preferably not in Pudong. Good internet connection is essential.

Welcome any suggestion

Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33903258)

Also: it's NOT the same as before; you are now required to STAY IN YOUR ROOM the whole time, but can order food from outside. NO HOTEL RESTAURANT visits are allowed, no going outside.

Originally Posted by tauphi (Post 33903482)

So how do you get those required Covid tests if you can't leave your room during the +7 period?