China Exit Ban
#1
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China Exit Ban
As an American tourist (Caucasian), should I be concerned about the State Department's recent travel advisory regarding China's "exit ban"?
Chinese authorities have asserted broad authority to prohibit U.S. citizens from leaving China by using ‘exit bans,’ sometimes keeping U.S. citizens in China for years. China uses exit bans coercively:
I will be traveling to Shanghai and Beijing in October, and had already booked my r/t flights months before I became aware of the travel ban.
Have there been any reports of American tourists arbitrarily being detained in China due to this policy?
FYI:
- I have multiple stamps in my U.S. passport, including ones from the U.A.E. and Egypt.
Will this be an issue?
I ask is because I've read reports of individuals with middle East stamps in their passports having issues entering/leaving China.
- The travel advisory mentions that one of the reasons China may prevent U.S. citizens from leaving the country is to use them as pawns to resolve business disputes with American corporations (even if said individuals have nothing to do with the disputes).
I work for a major transit authority that does business with China. It's very conceivable that they may have certain disputes, and I don't want to get caught in the middle of it. Should I not mention that I work for this agency when I apply for my Chinese visa?
- Prior to entering mainland China, I will be visiting Hong Kong, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Taipei.
My Chinese coworker advises me not to visit these places before entering China because it may arouse suspicion of drug trafficking. He says I should "just stay in China".
Is there any validity to this?
I apologize if I sound paranoid. I just want to ensure my trip to China goes smoothly. If not, I'll cancel it. After all, the trip is for pleasure, not business.
Chinese authorities have asserted broad authority to prohibit U.S. citizens from leaving China by using ‘exit bans,’ sometimes keeping U.S. citizens in China for years. China uses exit bans coercively:
- to compel U.S. citizens to participate in Chinese government investigations,
- to lure individuals back to China from abroad, and
- to aid Chinese authorities in resolving civil disputes in favor of Chinese parties.
I will be traveling to Shanghai and Beijing in October, and had already booked my r/t flights months before I became aware of the travel ban.
Have there been any reports of American tourists arbitrarily being detained in China due to this policy?
FYI:
- I have multiple stamps in my U.S. passport, including ones from the U.A.E. and Egypt.
Will this be an issue?
I ask is because I've read reports of individuals with middle East stamps in their passports having issues entering/leaving China.
- The travel advisory mentions that one of the reasons China may prevent U.S. citizens from leaving the country is to use them as pawns to resolve business disputes with American corporations (even if said individuals have nothing to do with the disputes).
I work for a major transit authority that does business with China. It's very conceivable that they may have certain disputes, and I don't want to get caught in the middle of it. Should I not mention that I work for this agency when I apply for my Chinese visa?
- Prior to entering mainland China, I will be visiting Hong Kong, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Taipei.
My Chinese coworker advises me not to visit these places before entering China because it may arouse suspicion of drug trafficking. He says I should "just stay in China".
Is there any validity to this?
I apologize if I sound paranoid. I just want to ensure my trip to China goes smoothly. If not, I'll cancel it. After all, the trip is for pleasure, not business.
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If you're in the sort of business or have the sort of family connections that make travel to China a bit of a risk, you would know it. Most big foreign companies have business in China these days. Not an issue.
That your friend thinks travel to those other countries on a trip to China would be an issue (for China) suggests he's not well clued-in.
That your friend thinks travel to those other countries on a trip to China would be an issue (for China) suggests he's not well clued-in.
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In my experience, government-issued travel advisories serve two purposes: (a) giving government press officers something to defend themselves with if some visiting tourists do something stupid and get into trouble; (b) providing some extra diplomatic tools for negotiating with foreign states ("if you do/don't that, we'll change our travel advice"). I'd say unless you have some specific connection with the Chinese state or are planning to do something controversial, you'll be totally fine, and can safely ignore this travel advice.
That said, if you think you'll spend your entire holiday worrying about whether or not you'll be allowed to leave the country, I'd choose to go somewhere else and have a relaxing holiday. But I don't think you have anything at all to worry about, based on the facts you've provided above.
That said, if you think you'll spend your entire holiday worrying about whether or not you'll be allowed to leave the country, I'd choose to go somewhere else and have a relaxing holiday. But I don't think you have anything at all to worry about, based on the facts you've provided above.
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- Prior to entering mainland China, I will be visiting Hong Kong, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Taipei.
My Chinese coworker advises me not to visit these places before entering China because it may arouse suspicion of drug trafficking. He says I should "just stay in China".
Is there any validity to this?
I apologize if I sound paranoid. I just want to ensure my trip to China goes smoothly. If not, I'll cancel it. After all, the trip is for pleasure, not business.
My Chinese coworker advises me not to visit these places before entering China because it may arouse suspicion of drug trafficking. He says I should "just stay in China".
Is there any validity to this?
I apologize if I sound paranoid. I just want to ensure my trip to China goes smoothly. If not, I'll cancel it. After all, the trip is for pleasure, not business.
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- Prior to entering mainland China, I will be visiting Hong Kong, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Taipei.
My Chinese coworker advises me not to visit these places before entering China because it may arouse suspicion of drug trafficking. He says I should "just stay in China".
My Chinese coworker advises me not to visit these places before entering China because it may arouse suspicion of drug trafficking. He says I should "just stay in China".
#9
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Since that travel advisory was posted last year, I've entered/exited China nearly 10 times without issue as a US citizen. I enter China every time from Hong Kong without any issue, no checks, no suspicion of drug trafficking. I have a coworker who enters/exits China daily from HK with a Canadian passport without issue. The only issue he has is he needs to get a new passport every few months as it fills up with entry/exit stamps.
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Since that travel advisory was posted last year, I've entered/exited China nearly 10 times without issue as a US citizen. I enter China every time from Hong Kong without any issue, no checks, no suspicion of drug trafficking. I have a coworker who enters/exits China daily from HK with a Canadian passport without issue. The only issue he has is he needs to get a new passport every few months as it fills up with entry/exit stamps.
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Apart from the lack of stamps, echannel is extremely useful if you're going to Shenzhen often. Before I had it, I would avoid Shenzhen Bay crossing, due to the possibility of long lines, but I now use it almost exclusively, and can reliably get from end to end in under 10 minutes.
Last edited by moondog; May 6, 2019 at 7:36 pm
#14
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Apart from the lack of stamps, echannel is extremely useful if you're going to Shenzhen often. Before I had it, I would avoid Shenzhen Bay crossing, due to the possibility of long lines, but I now use it almost exclusively, and can reliably get from end to end in under 10 minutes.
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To completely derail this thread, I wish I could get China eChannel, but alas, I only have a lowly M visa. I usually transit Shenzhen Bay. Typically my flight to HKG arrives on Saturday mornings, so I hit the checkpoint shortly after opening, definitely before 8AM. I've never had more than 15 minute wait usually between 5-10 mins. Last Saturday, I was able to use the Special lane with the APEC card for the first time. Usually the Special lane is longer than the foreigner line as they tend to send elderly mainlanders and those with young children to the Special lane. This time, foreigner line had 3 lanes open with maybe 4-5 people on each line. I noticed the Special lane was empty and popped on over there with only 1 ahead of me, 2 minutes tops to cross. Finally got some use out of the APEC card.
1) getting the Z visa was shockingly painful
-diploma and criminal background check both need state department and PRC consulate authentication; the former takes a bit of time, unless you show them an airplane ticket for the next day (which, you obviously won't be using)
-the medical check is pretty easy, but only certain hospitals can do it
-need to write a job posting for your own job in Chinese
-although I normally prefer to do things myself, in this case using an agent was the right path
2) If you are a student, I have to believe X visas are much easier
-your school simply issues them on its own, so not much bureaucracy
-they will presumably arrange an appointment at the hospital for you
3) I'm not certain about other visa types, but I think at least Q1 works