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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091137)
Again, you can put forth all the different numbers you like, but you cannot prove them one way or the other. And neither can I.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091137)
Trying to prove it here is like a pastor preaching to the choir. Not an unbiased mind in the lot.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091137)
Nazi. How .... original. :rolleyes:
Again, you can put forth all the different numbers you like, but you cannot prove them one way or the other. And neither can I. As far as the BDO process, you and halls have belief's. Nothing more. The process has not been challenged in court yet, but I'm sure it will. Hey, if you truly are a lawyer, maybe it will be you. But until that happens, the BDO process serves as reasonable belief for additional administrative screening. You can believe otherwise as much as you like, but you can only prove it in a court. Trying to prove it here is like a pastor preaching to the choir. Not an unbiased mind in the lot. However, there is one thing that I do know, having spent enough time in academe: the "studies" as described in the article are bad science. Example: Suppose he found that, whenever a lie was told, people blinked and either inhaled or exhaled. Ipso facto, anyone who blinks and breathes is lying. Do you understand why such a study is meaningless? No control group. |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 12091241)
:confused: Ron, earlier you referred to a stack of documentation you had on hand to back up your claims. Now you can't prove the BDO approach works?
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091104)
Because I see more data than you do. Thats where. Maybe some day I'll post some of it.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 12089857)
What percentage of people hassled by BDOs posed a threat to aviation? I'll even let you include in that statistic, such dire and heinous threats as possession of pot, unpaid parking tickets, and having $4,783 in your possession.
Is it 10%? 1%? I'm betting it's close to .01% and, if you remove pot smokers, illegal parkers and well-paid young people, that number drops to 0. Fewer than 1% of airline passengers singled out at airports for suspicious behavior are arrested, Transportation Security Administration figures show, raising complaints that too many innocent people are stopped. A TSA program launched in early 2006 that looks for terrorists using a controversial surveillance method has led to more than 160,000 people in airports receiving scrutiny, such as a pat-down search or a brief interview. That has resulted in 1,266 arrests, often on charges of carrying drugs or fake IDs, the TSA said. 60 Minutes asked TSA if any of the 180,000 passengers stopped by the behavior officers for an interview turned out to be a terrorist. They wouldn't tell us, but congressional sources said no. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091104)
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12089483)
Originally Posted by TSORon
TSO's around the country catch on the average 40 guns on the checkpoint per week.
The proof is in the pudding, but all you can see is a box.
Originally Posted by magellan315
.....Unless you can back up the claims with actual data that we can review....... If the TSA actually found more guns than listed on their website they would post it to prove their claims of protecting the public.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091104)
Because I see more data than you do. Thats where. Maybe some day I'll post some of it.
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 12091104)
Prove it. Break out your printer and hook it up to your crystal ball and get us a print out. IOW, even you cannot tell us what is in the minds of the individuals who bring these guns and other weapons to the airport. You have closed your mind to the possibility, and therefore cannot see past your own perception. Any number I put out there is just as plausible as yours, because I cant prove it either. I just haven't closed my mind to the possibilities.
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well glory be....
maybe TSORon is right about those numbers that he can't tell us about after all :rolleyes: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12093377-post281.html |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 12093387)
well glory be....
maybe TSORon is right about those numbers that he can't tell us about after all :rolleyes: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12093377-post281.html Come on, TSA, you've got to try harder than that... |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12092582)
Not a single terrorist intent on taking over or taking down an airplane has been caught by the TSA in all of its years of existence.
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Originally Posted by tsadude1
(Post 12094717)
Thats all it is, but make of it what you will.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8NFF04Yfm2...320/johnny.jpg |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 12091241)
:confused: Ron, earlier you referred to a stack of documentation you had on hand to back up your claims. Now you can't prove the BDO approach works?
Wow. “Even with a stack of documentation a mile high some people are going to have your attitude about it. It’s a “no win” situation for the TSA with you folks.” “To much beer”, right? |
Originally Posted by Superguy
(Post 12091259)
And you're saying you're NOT biased? :rolleyes:
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