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JSmith1969 Jul 21, 2009 7:20 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12102035)
None have been caught because they are too scared. The program has worked.

And your proof of this is...?

txrus Jul 21, 2009 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12102035)
None have been caught because they are too scared. The program has worked.

And the reason those scared tewwowists didn't then turn their attention to one of the many, many, many commercial airliners flying the friendly skies every day w/o the 'protection' of the SPOTNIKS is...???

These are the same planes that also have untold amounts of toothpaste & shampoo unfrettered by Kippies brought on board by fully-shod passengers, too, don't forget & yet, despite all these dangers, aren't falling out of the skies around us.

How is that possible???

:rolleyes:

ElPasoPilot Jul 21, 2009 11:21 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12102035)
None have been caught because they are too scared. The program has worked.

Come on, guys, give him a break. He's got a sense of humor! <where's the tongue in cheek emoticon?>

(unlike Ron) :rolleyes:

tsadude1 Jul 22, 2009 1:08 am


Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot (Post 12103653)
Come on, guys, give him a break. He's got a sense of humor! <where's the tongue in cheek emoticon?>

(unlike Ron) :rolleyes:

:p

GUWonder Jul 22, 2009 4:17 am


Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot (Post 12103653)
Come on, guys, give him a break. He's got a sense of humor! <where's the tongue in cheek emoticon?>

^^

tsadude1 Jul 22, 2009 4:24 am


Originally Posted by JSmith1969 (Post 12102669)
And your proof of this is...?

No terrorist incidents involving air travel in the U.S since the implementation of the program.....D'oh! :)

Superguy Jul 22, 2009 5:26 am


Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot (Post 12103653)
Come on, guys, give him a break. He's got a sense of humor! <where's the tongue in cheek emoticon?>

(unlike Ron) :rolleyes:

Gotta love text.

My bad for falling for it. :D

goalie Jul 22, 2009 6:18 am


Originally Posted by the_happiness_store (Post 12102326)
Look we are all on the wrong track here.

It is not whether any of these procedures are effective or not, it is just about expanding power and keeping jobs.

Terrorists be damned, just use them as an excuse to keep the money coming, and if we have trample on American's rights no big deal, just keep the (taxpayer's) money coming in.

you hypocrite! shame on you! how dare you not read your own post......hi-ho-hi-ho, it's to the box i go......:D

JSmith1969 Jul 22, 2009 10:26 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12104270)
No terrorist incidents involving air travel in the U.S since the implementation of the program.....D'oh! :)

Nor have there been any terrorist incidents involving air travel in the US since I replanted that pesky patch of lawn in the backyard in 2002. Correlation does not equal causation; you must describe a causal mechanism by which the BDO program, which TSA's own numbers show have never, ever, ever caught a single person wishing to harm aviation, has "scared away all the terrorists."

Oh, wait, you can't do that, because BDO is BS.

D'Oh!

bajajoes Feb 17, 2011 4:50 pm

BDO's power?
 
Do BDO's have ANY law enforcement authoritah or do they need to call a LEO?

ElPasoPilot Feb 17, 2011 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by bajajoes (Post 15885102)
Do BDO's have ANY law enforcement authoritah or do they need to call a LEO?


They have zero law enforcement authority, although they may try to bluff otherwise.

TSORon Feb 17, 2011 6:12 pm


Originally Posted by bajajoes (Post 15885102)
Do BDO's have ANY law enforcement authoritah or do they need to call a LEO?

Very few members of the TSA have law enforcement authority. We work closely with our local LEO's because law enforcement is outside of our mandate by congress.

RoadGuy Feb 17, 2011 7:46 pm


but I find the concepts of their job fascinating
I find it disturbing that some find it fascinating.

Unless they are hoping for a job doing no work at all.

oboshoe Feb 17, 2011 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12081678)
It does not matter how old the article is, nor how the professor is reimbursed or not reimbursed for his time with the TSA, but if it provides a “value add” to the TSA and its mission.

Actually it really does matter and goes to the heart of his credibility on the matter. Clearly he has a financial stake in this and that is important.

I do agree though, I find the science (if you can all it that) fascinating. I've read a number of books on the subject and have attended short seminars on lie detection and I have found it immensely useful. It's really not hard at all to detect "casual liars" using these techniques.

However..It's one thing to detect dishonesty when you are focusing on a single individual in an interview situation or just a focused discussion vs TSA's method.

TSA is taking unskilled labor and giving them a 40 hour training class. Then having them focus on hundreds of people. Furthermore the people we are concerned about are not "casual liars", but "true believers" who have been training for their terrorist activity for years. For TSA, it boils down to if the person is frowning and if they are patting their pockets.

TSA is simply outmatched here. It's not realistic to have a meaningful outcome and so far, TSA's dismal success record proves that out.

Wally Bird Feb 18, 2011 7:28 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 15885544)
Very few members of the TSA have law enforcement authority. We work closely with our local LEO's because law enforcement is outside of our mandate by congress.

Even Congress gets it right occasionally.


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