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TSORon Jul 21, 2009 5:35 am


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 12091557)
Not Nazi, but Gestapo.

Yeah, that makes it original alright.:rolleyes:


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 12091557)
All that you say is true. So tell, TSRon, what was your purpose in posting the article?

Information.

Superguy Jul 21, 2009 5:36 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12098136)
No halls, that is not what I wrote.

“Even with a stack of documentation a mile high some people are going to have your attitude about it. It’s a “no win” situation for the TSA with you folks.”

“To much beer”, right?

You can have a stack that high, Ron, but if it's full of garbage it's just a stack of paper. What's been produced is based on bad science and has already been pointed out why that's so. Even the results of the program show a very high false positive rate and what has been found doesn't even fall within the scope of why TSA was founded in the first place.

Much like TSA's layers, if the layers are ineffective and don't do anything, the layers are useless.

We want good security to win, believe it or not. We don't want stupid security to win. Unfortunately, it has been.

magellan315 Jul 21, 2009 5:43 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 12091241)
:confused: Ron, earlier you referred to a stack of documentation you had on hand to back up your claims. Now you can't prove the BDO approach works?


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12098136)
No halls, that is not what I wrote.

“Even with a stack of documentation a mile high some people are going to have your attitude about it. It’s a “no win” situation for the TSA with you folks.”

Actually Ron, here is what you said.


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12091104)
Because I see more data than you do. Thats where. Maybe some day I'll post some of it.

So I guess you do have a stack of documentation. By all means feel free to post it and provide us with a link so we can confirm it.

N965VJ Jul 21, 2009 7:44 am


Originally Posted by magellan315 (Post 12098167)
Actually Ron, here is what you said.

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12091104)
Because I see more data than you do. Thats where. Maybe some day I'll post some of it.

So I guess you do have a stack of documentation. By all means feel free to post it and provide us with a link so we can confirm it.

He can’t; it’s SSI don’t ‘cha know!

DevilDog438 Jul 21, 2009 7:49 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 12098635)
He can’t; it’s SSI don’t ‘cha know!

Just like the stack of documentation that I have at my house which shows that my pet rock has stopped untold amounts of terrorists attempting to hijack planes; that is SSI as well.

Tom M. Jul 21, 2009 8:08 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12098141)
What I am saying is that I get to see the program actually working every day. I get to talk to the BDO's about their job and what they do.

But since you are are not a trained BDO, you can't tell if the BDO's are being truthful when they talk to you.

:D

tsadude1 Jul 21, 2009 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12098781)
But since you are are not a trained BDO, you can't tell if the BDO's are being truthful when they talk to you.

:D

;););):D

JSmith1969 Jul 21, 2009 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 12098141)
I get to talk to the BDO's about their job and what they do. I also get to read the daily reports from headquarters about BDO actions and catches.

And since all of these conversations and reports tell you that BDOs have never, ever, ever, ever caught a single solitary person trying to harm an aircraft, exactly why are you persuaded of its effectiveness? Aside from the fact that you're not very bright?

GUWonder Jul 21, 2009 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by JSmith1969 (Post 12100467)
And since all of these conversations and reports tell you that BDOs have never, ever, ever, ever caught a single solitary person trying to harm an aircraft, exactly why are you persuaded of its effectiveness? Aside from the fact that you're not very bright?

Questioning the TSA faithful is more often than not an exercise in futility -- just look at Kip Hawley. It's an exercise in futility because it all comes down to the faith of the TSA's loyal flock. The words belief and believes tell it all. Faith can get in the way of intelligence and at the TSA that is clearly an issue.

tsadude1 Jul 21, 2009 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by JSmith1969 (Post 12100467)
And since all of these conversations and reports tell you that BDOs have never, ever, ever, ever caught a single solitary person trying to harm an aircraft, exactly why are you persuaded of its effectiveness? Aside from the fact that you're not very bright?

None have been caught because they are too scared. The program has worked.

Superguy Jul 21, 2009 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12102035)
None have been caught because they are too scared. The program has worked.

How's that kool aid tasting?

It's not your BDO's that are scaring terrorists away. It's my magic rock. It keeps terrorists away and cowering in fear. How do I know? Have you seen any terrorists at the airport lately? And BTW, I can't show you the documentation as it's SSI.

the_happiness_store Jul 21, 2009 6:06 pm

Look we are all on the wrong track here.

It is not whether any of these procedures are effective or not, it is just about expanding power and keeping jobs.

Terrorists be damned, just use them as an excuse to keep the money coming, and if we have trample on American's rights no big deal, just keep the (taxpayer's) money coming in.

GUWonder Jul 21, 2009 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by the_happiness_store (Post 12102326)
Look we are all on the wrong track here.

It is not whether any of these procedures are effective or not, it is just about expanding power and keeping jobs.

Terrorists be damned, just use them as an excuse to keep the money coming, and if we have trample on American's rights no big deal, just keep the (taxpayer's) money coming in.

That's right:


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 12089766)
TSA behavior detection team = TSA workfare's mind-reading work farce force.


the_happiness_store Jul 21, 2009 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 12102348)
That's right:

I apologize for missing your post that said it much better than I did.

Wally Bird Jul 21, 2009 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12102035)
None have been caught because they are too scared. The program has worked.

It's not the spotnik nonsense; that would not deter a terrorist. However, I am prepared to concede that terrorists may have been diverted by the increased airport security and visa restrictions following 9/11 but it is equally possible that that was a one-off, the dernier cri of US mainland attacks. Hard to top that, and the FBI has said there is no evidence of terrorist cells in the US anyway.


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