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Y prices will go down, F prices will skyrocket as a result of the deplorable onboard restrictions, I predict.
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Originally Posted by bethster
Edited for response to Superguy: yeah, if only because I am madly in love with him! I wonder if Stephen would give these new measures the wag of the finger, or the tip of the hat? ;)
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Originally Posted by Katja
I'd be interested in seeing your citation for this "clear violation".
If you're going to sue, you might want to get your statutes straight. The Americans with Disabilities Act Title I is about employment and covers employers with 15 or more employees. Enforcement is effected by filing complaints with the U. S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). ADA Title II covers public transportation, but not air travel. Complaints go to the Office of Civil Rights, Federal Transit Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation. ADA Title III covers businesses and nonprofit service providers that are public accommodations, including restaurants, retail stores, hotels, movie theaters, private schools, convention centers, doctors' offices, homeless shelters, transportation depots, zoos, funeral homes, day care centers, and recreation facilities including sports stadiums and fitness clubs. So this includes airports but not airplanes. Title III complaints are filed with the Department of Justice. The Americans with Disabilities Act has no provisions of any kind regarding water, hydration, or nourishment. Here is the full text of the Act. Airlines are covered by the Air Carrier Access Act (14 C.F.R. Part 382), which is not a part of the Americans with Disabilities Act. It doesn't talk about nourishment or hydration either, as its function is to provide equal access. It talks about things like boarding, lavatories, equal access to information, seating accomodations, and attendents. Here is the text of the Act. ETA: I do not post this because I support the TSA ban on liquids, but because I get very tired of people citing the ADA and ACAA when they clearly are unfamiliar with either act. It makes it more difficult for those who need the protections of these acts to even get what the act provides. |
Originally Posted by Bart
The airlines provide beverages during the flight. You are also free to purchase beverages while inside the concourse. You just can't take them onto the airplane.
I do not support this ban and believe a more reasonable restriction is possible. My point here is that you are not denied your basic needs or comforts. You just don't have the convenience of carrying these items with you as a general rule. Hopefully, TSA will be forced to reconsider this ban. It's not fun having to enforce it. So in a sense, if we're left to the mercy of the airlines, a lot of people aren't going to get the hydration they need. What's one of the biggest things you read about doing on a plane, especially long flights? Movement and hydration. TSA puts the screws to both of those. |
Originally Posted by kaukau
Y prices will go down, F prices will skyrocket as a result of the deplorable onboard restrictions, I predict.
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Originally Posted by Superguy
Y prices are already going down. I've seen some huge price cuts on my destinations on UA and a lot more e-fares being offered.
If there were drastic reductions in loads in direct correlation to the restrictions, we'd be hearing about it from the airlines. |
Originally Posted by LessO2
I think that has more to do with what time of the year it is rather than the TSA idiotic moves.
If there were drastic reductions in loads in direct correlation to the restrictions, we'd be hearing about it from the airlines. |
My Gripe Is Never With TSA Agents Just Doing Their Jobs
Originally Posted by Bart
There is nothing preventing you from carrying your prescription medication with you in carry-on. The issue only pertains to medication that is in liquid, gel or aerosol form. The way around that is, if it's prescription medication, to have the label attached to the medication. The TSA supervisor then needs to make sure that the name on the label matches the name on the boarding pass.
The issue arises when the passenger claims that a liquid, gel or aerosol medication is prescribed by a doctor but has no documentation to prove it. Your choice then is to either place it in checked luggage or to abandon it. It was dumb luck two weeks ago that I had my meds in their bottles. Usually I put them in a week-long pill organizer...saves space. The essential stuff was in their bottles, but I had a pill organizer with Lunesta in it; sometimes I have trouble sleeping when I travel. When I got up to the TSA, the guy pointed to my pill organizer and said, "You can't bring those on, ma'am." I said, "Look, these restrictions just went into effect this morning, this is $100 worth of pills, and look at how they are obviously from a pharmacy." He then took me aside and said quietly, "Move them to the prescription bottle." When I complied, he smiled and said, "There you go! Prescription medication with a label!" :cool: |
Originally Posted by bethster
It was dumb luck two weeks ago that I had my meds in their bottles. Usually I put them in a week-long pill organizer...saves space.
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Originally Posted by Katja
I'd be interested in seeing your citation for this "clear violation".
If you're going to sue, you might want to get your statutes straight. The Americans with Disabilities Act Title I is about employment and covers employers with 15 or more employees. Enforcement is effected by filing complaints with the U. S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). ADA Title II covers public transportation, but not air travel. Complaints go to the Office of Civil Rights, Federal Transit Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation. ADA Title III covers businesses and nonprofit service providers that are public accommodations, including restaurants, retail stores, hotels, movie theaters, private schools, convention centers, doctors' offices, homeless shelters, transportation depots, zoos, funeral homes, day care centers, and recreation facilities including sports stadiums and fitness clubs. So this includes airports but not airplanes. Title III complaints are filed with the Department of Justice. The Americans with Disabilities Act has no provisions of any kind regarding water, hydration, or nourishment. Here is the full text of the Act. Airlines are covered by the Air Carrier Access Act (14 C.F.R. Part 382), which is not a part of the Americans with Disabilities Act. It doesn't talk about nourishment or hydration either, as its function is to provide equal access. It talks about things like boarding, lavatories, equal access to information, seating accomodations, and attendents. Here is the text of the Act. ETA: I do not post this because I support the TSA ban on liquids, but because I get very tired of people citing the ADA and ACAA when they clearly are unfamiliar with either act. It makes it more difficult for those who need the protections of these acts to even get what the act provides. If any of you would like an eyeful of legal reasons why this stuff is fifty shades of wrong, write to me privately. |
Originally Posted by bethster
If you are going to high-hat me for standing up for my rights as a disabled American, I suggest you become a bit more legally sophisticated first.
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Post deleted. It ain't worth it.
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Originally Posted by Cholula
ANZAC_1915
And as friendly suggestion to those of you who have medical issues and concerns with things that are prohibited. Place this stuff in a checked bag. Yeah, you may have to wait a few minutes with the rest of us at the baggage carousel but it'll save you a stroke/heart attack as you worry whether or not the prohibited items will be confiscated from your carry-ons. I've had terrible luck with checked bags on some airlines (e.g. US). By "terrible" I mean 2 out of the last 3 times I have checked a bag it has taken more than two days after the flight arrived to get my bag. |
Originally Posted by bethster
A bunch of citations that handily win this ridiculous "argument" snipped.
If any of you would like an eyeful of legal reasons why this stuff is fifty shades of wrong, write to me privately.
Originally Posted by bethster
Denial of water is a clear violation of the Air Carriers section of the Americans with Disabilities Act. It is what I plan to cite when I sue the TSA (and possibly United and American airlines).
I am interested in the eyeful (is that a quantity?) of legal reasons, but don't see why it should be private. Thanks. |
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