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Spiff Aug 28, 2006 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by LPCJr
I was not asked about any of these items. If the TSA was doing its supposed "job" (and I do use the term lightly), it seems to me that they should have inspected these items to ensure that they were in fact properly labeled with prescriptions (which they were). The fact that the TSA did not do this would seem to be an indication that they were unaware such items were in my luggage. This really helps to instill confidence that they would be able to find an explosive liquid or gel.

To put things into proper perspective, the TSA is also unable to locate unicorns, pixies, or griffins.

goalie Aug 28, 2006 3:47 pm


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Could the baddies re-fill a prescription container with nasties?

most small spray bottles for nose drops/eye drops are constructed in 2 pieces-the bottle/container and the spray tip with the tube attatched. they can be separated by pulling if you have strong fingers or by slipping a thin sharp edged blade (think x-acto knife) into the very small (and i do mean very small) space where the 2 pieces attach.

Spiff Aug 28, 2006 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Could the baddies re-fill a prescription container with nasties?

Absent a copy of the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) and the ability to use it, people can put anything in a prescription bottle they like, as long as it is similar to what is described on the label. (e.g. tablets/capsules/liquid/etc)

The whole liquids/gels "ban" is a big, stupid joke that was forced on the traveling public by two grossly incompetent individuals: Comrades Chertoff and Hawley. :td:

Points Scrounger Aug 28, 2006 3:49 pm

I was thinkin' more aong the lines of a tube of Rx toothpaste, or jug of Rx mouthwash.

Points Scrounger Aug 28, 2006 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff
The whole liquids/gels "ban" is a big, stupid joke that was forced on the traveling public by two grossly incompetent individuals: Comrades Chertoff and Hawley. :td:

Or someone much higher up the chain, perhaps?

Spiff Aug 28, 2006 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
I was thinkin' more aong the lines of a tube of Rx toothpaste, or jug of Rx mouthwash.

Like I said, unless there literally is a doctor at the checkpoint, you can bring anything you like in a prescription container.

Spiff Aug 28, 2006 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Or someone much higher up the chain, perhaps?

Unlikely.

The buck stops with these two clowns.

TravelGeek Aug 29, 2006 4:44 am


Originally Posted by GoingAway
I would respectfully disagree with the bolded statement above.

First a basic need is hydration – an airline is unable to pack enough water to truly keep all passengers on board hydrated. Many people suffer hydration issues and are unaware of it – I am not! I require and drink a LOT of water every day – it is SPRING water, not what is served on board most airlines. These new regs deny me the comfort of having a beverage I not only prefer but it’s the only type I drink as well as the “need” to address my hydration issues (I end up with diet 7-up or an alcoholic beverage as the only other things I drink from what is available).

There are ample reports prior to this idiocy that STRONGLY RECOMMENDED people bring their own water on board to supplement what is provided by the airlines (in my case, for ex-USA trips I totally replace it). Those reports addressed the needs of the passengers to remain sufficiently hydrated and the comfort of ensuring that hydration is available when it was needed. Having the airlines pack a few extra liters hardly addresses this lack now does it, not to mention that the airlines serve those tiny cups of water and the FAs then disappear for the next hour or two – that is totally insufficient to address the needs of most passengers.

Couldn't have said it any better!

studentff Aug 29, 2006 6:13 am


Originally Posted by GoingAway
There are ample reports prior to this idiocy that STRONGLY RECOMMENDED people bring their own water on board to supplement what is provided by the airlines (in my case, for ex-USA trips I totally replace it). Those reports addressed the needs of the passengers to remain sufficiently hydrated and the comfort of ensuring that hydration is available when it was needed.

Do you by chance have links to any of these reports? I'd love to cite them in my various rants/complaints to the airlines and government.

GoingAway Aug 29, 2006 6:22 am


Originally Posted by studentff
Do you by chance have links to any of these reports? I'd love to cite them in my various rants/complaints to the airlines and government.

Search google with "hydration flying" and you'll get a lot of sites that are related to this, sorry I don't have time to cull some good ones right now. I found this one very quickly - there is also an australian site that looked very good. They say the same things we've been told for years which is why people started to carry their own water on board in the first place!

http://www.gliding-benalla.org/cross.../hydration.htm
http://www.nutritionaustralia.org/Fo...ration_faq.asp

justhere Aug 29, 2006 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by GoingAway
I would respectfully disagree with the bolded statement above.

First a basic need is hydration – an airline is unable to pack enough water to truly keep all passengers on board hydrated. Many people suffer hydration issues and are unaware of it – I am not! I require and drink a LOT of water every day – it is SPRING water, not what is served on board most airlines. These new regs deny me the comfort of having a beverage I not only prefer but it’s the only type I drink as well as the “need” to address my hydration issues (I end up with diet 7-up or an alcoholic beverage as the only other things I drink from what is available).

There are ample reports prior to this idiocy that STRONGLY RECOMMENDED people bring their own water on board to supplement what is provided by the airlines (in my case, for ex-USA trips I totally replace it). Those reports addressed the needs of the passengers to remain sufficiently hydrated and the comfort of ensuring that hydration is available when it was needed. Having the airlines pack a few extra liters hardly addresses this lack now does it, not to mention that the airlines serve those tiny cups of water and the FAs then disappear for the next hour or two – that is totally insufficient to address the needs of most passengers.

Just curious, but if you dehydrate so easily, why are you drinking alcohol in an airplane?

GoingAway Aug 29, 2006 4:10 pm


Originally Posted by justhere
Just curious, but if you dehydrate so easily, why are you drinking alcohol in an airplane?

If you read it ... I'm only going for an alcoholic beverage when that is all that is left for me. I'm selective about what I drink, and why shouldn't I be? I drink spring water (which is rarely available on US carriers thanks to Pepsi & Dasani and their purified products) so that is out, my next choice is a clear diet soda (like a 7-up/sprite) which are only sometimes available and my choice will depend if I can take the carbonation at that time or not; and if those options aren't available or my stomach can't handle the bubbles at the moment, while I would usually pass on drink service and drink my own water, today I'd be left with alcohol as a choice. For the record, I'm a lightweight - maybe a beer or glass of wine and only with food, but I did that when I had my own water and could rehydrate. These days - I'm likely going thirsty and would just pass on everything and hope for an early arrival :(

BTW - my water addiction started many years ago when my stomach/body rebelled and I couldn't take any fruit juices b/c of the acidity and sugar or diet soda b/c of the carbonation, anything like coffee or with a lot of sugar gives me the shakes. It was water only for a while with a bit of alcohol here and there (well, I wasn't giving it all up). My body forced the conversion at the time, and I've kept it up ever since.

GeorgiaRebel Aug 29, 2006 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by studentff
Sorry, wrong answer for anything medical related, especially that cannot be replaced.

I've had terrible luck with checked bags on some airlines (e.g. US). By "terrible" I mean 2 out of the last 3 times I have checked a bag it has taken more than two days after the flight arrived to get my bag.

I recently went from BOS to YQB had a meeting and then on to DET the next morning for another meeting. I then would fly back to ATL and be home. I had no checked baggage but do have a wound that I need to change out the dressing three times a day. The medications are all over the counter, but my doctor had written out the details of what I needed on a prescription form. TSA said no can take antibiotic cream and sterile water on board. They will have to be checked or discarded. What could happen to luggage on a direct flight from Boston to Quebec City - right? Got to YQB and no luggage (thanks stupid TSA policies and those who enforce stupidity). Delta does not have another flight, so it will be tomorrow at noon before my luggage can get here. I have to leave for DET before that and my pills for diabetes and hypertension are also in that luggage - I should have taken them out, but forgot in all the aggravation and stupidity). I get to Detroit (on NWA) and check with Delta to see if maybe, perhaps, pretty please my luggage is following me. It will be shipped back to BOS and then to DET the agent tells me. I have no clothes, no medicines, and no patience for stupidity. I go to my meeting and then to a drug store. I show the druggist my prescription and tell him to fill it. He says that I don't need a prescription for these OTC products. When I tell him what TSA has done, he fills the prescription and puts labels on everything (even the sterile water). I go to the airport and have everything in a plastic bag. TSA balks and I ask for a supervisor; I politely tell him what TSA in BOS did and what I have done at the drug store. He looks at the sterile water with my name on it, looks at my boarding pass and then tells me to have a safe flight.

I get to ATL and check with the baggage desk. My bag is still in YQB. Delta will send it to my home. I got it today and found out why it was not on my plane. TSA had a note in the bag stating that they had to do extra screening on my baggage and apologized for any inconvenience. I was ready to blame Delta for losing my bag, but TSA was responsible the whole time.

TSA is nothing more than a bunch of bumbling morons enforcing draconian rules for the appeasement of leisure travelers who wouldn't know safety and security if it bit them in the behind.

If Osama wanted to show how foolish, ineffective, and stupid US policies are, he would do no better than to point to Chertoff's antics in banning toothpaste and Neosporyn.

I always fly to my customer sites, but I am going to start driving and taking the train where possible. If the airlines start losing customers (i.e., money), they might stand up to these poof balls.

- Alan :mad: :mad: :mad:

GeorgiaRebel Aug 29, 2006 5:52 pm


Originally Posted by studentff
Do you by chance have links to any of these reports? I'd love to cite them in my various rants/complaints to the airlines and government.

Delta and US Air do not care what you have to say. All my complaints have gotten the stock answer: We must obey TSA rules.

TSA won't respond to my complaints (not even a canned reply). One of my Congress critters can't figure out why I don't want to give up my toothpaste for safety (which is why I am actively supporting his opponent now). The two senators don't have a clue what the fuss is all about.

- Alan :mad:

Bart Aug 29, 2006 6:24 pm

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