TSA doesn't understand diff. between coats and shirts
May 15, 2005 | 9:54 am
#76
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Originally Posted by MSP2000
If you wear a shirt as a coat ( over the t shirt or a top), you will be asked to remove it! 
What if you decide to wear a coat in lieu of a shirt? ^
What if you decide to wear a coat in lieu of a shirt? ^
The rules were that jackets do not have to be removed if there is only a camisole undreneath. Of course those are only the rules, they do not mean anything. They just put them in press releases after a strip search story has went horribly wrong and is reported on the TV news.
May 15, 2005 | 10:05 am
#77
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Originally Posted by CameraGuy
I feel VERY sorry for anyone who thinks that any job within the TSA is patriotic.
VERY sorry.
VERY sorry.
TSA workers are still patriotic, it is not their fault.
The value was never going to be worth the trouble. Terrorists deal in opportunity and cracks in the system.
The TSA may stop the odd mental patient but I doubt they will have much effect on anybody who is competent.
They were a response to a crisis. Such projects are usually quietly shelved. The TSA was too public and too political to be abandoned.
May 15, 2005 | 10:10 am
#78
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Originally Posted by AllanJ
>>> take it off or go to secondary screening ...
(hypothetical although I plan to try it some day)
Here comes this guy wearing a baggy hooded sweatshirt with nothing underneath.
Screener: "you will have to take off your sweatshirt"
Unfortunately the only correct response at this point for the guy is "May I go behind a curtain to do it?"
To which the screener will likely respond with something like "OK, this way" as he leads the guy to the secondary screening area.
But if the screener says "take it off here" the guy has to obey. After all he chose to go to the airport dressed that way, unlike the guy who went to the airport with a razor blade in his shoe he knew nothing about and caught holy hell (I'm too lazy to find and insert the link to that post here)
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>>> Man made a comment that in a few years we'll be stripping naked. Screener who told him to take it off said that will "never happen."
It might happen accidentally if the person failed to ask "May I go behind..."
(hypothetical although I plan to try it some day)
Here comes this guy wearing a baggy hooded sweatshirt with nothing underneath.
Screener: "you will have to take off your sweatshirt"
Unfortunately the only correct response at this point for the guy is "May I go behind a curtain to do it?"
To which the screener will likely respond with something like "OK, this way" as he leads the guy to the secondary screening area.
But if the screener says "take it off here" the guy has to obey. After all he chose to go to the airport dressed that way, unlike the guy who went to the airport with a razor blade in his shoe he knew nothing about and caught holy hell (I'm too lazy to find and insert the link to that post here)
Travel tips:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm
>>> Man made a comment that in a few years we'll be stripping naked. Screener who told him to take it off said that will "never happen."
It might happen accidentally if the person failed to ask "May I go behind..."
Strip searches in public are not legal even for the TSA and certainly not for wearing the wrong sweatshirt.
Write a letter to the TSA.
Keep the reply with you as you travel. There is no chance of a memo ever reaching the lower ranks of the TSA.
May 15, 2005 | 10:12 am
#79
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
I agree.
The TSA website makes clear (and has since it debuted) that security doesn't demand a certain type of dress.
Perhaps the TSA should publicly admit the truth:
The TSA does not require any particular type of clothing, but failure to wear tight or body-hugging clothing greatly increases the odds that a screener will fondle your breasts and genitals.
Can't be too safe, after all.
THANK YOU, Stone. Thank you very much.
The TSA website makes clear (and has since it debuted) that security doesn't demand a certain type of dress.
Perhaps the TSA should publicly admit the truth:
The TSA does not require any particular type of clothing, but failure to wear tight or body-hugging clothing greatly increases the odds that a screener will fondle your breasts and genitals.
Can't be too safe, after all.
THANK YOU, Stone. Thank you very much.
If a person is fondled report it to the police. The TSA have no remit for sexual assault at airports.
May 15, 2005 | 9:34 pm
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I've gotta ask...
Originally Posted by GradGirl
I interpret this "you will be punished for wearing baggy clothing by secondary harassment" directive in exactly the same spirit that I interpret the directive that allows screeners to feel my breasts:
The perverts in charge at TSA haven't gotten enough jollies off of seeing people's bare feet and feeling women up. They'd like to see every curve of our bodies through our clothing. "If you're not willing to dress in a way that leaves nothing to the imagination you'll be sorry." Once they have us all frightened into spandex-only airport outfits it'll be that much easier to ogle the young women. This directive, like the others, will be unevenly applied to those young women that screeners particularly want to watch being humiliated and felt up in a public place.
The perverts in charge at TSA haven't gotten enough jollies off of seeing people's bare feet and feeling women up. They'd like to see every curve of our bodies through our clothing. "If you're not willing to dress in a way that leaves nothing to the imagination you'll be sorry." Once they have us all frightened into spandex-only airport outfits it'll be that much easier to ogle the young women. This directive, like the others, will be unevenly applied to those young women that screeners particularly want to watch being humiliated and felt up in a public place.
What airports are you flying out of that you are getting "felt up"????
I've flown in and out of 6 or 8 airports in the past year and haven't come across your experience once.
I've been sent for secondary a few times. Granted, my bra only set off an alarm twice, but the screener used the backs of her hands. Procedure was quick and professional.
I never wear a belt or pants with a whole bunch of rivets. (I figure why invite trouble), so I've had the crotch screening experience.
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I read this thread before the other one with the description of your actually experience. Believe you me, if I was you I wouldn't have stopped flying, I would have made sure that screener was FIRED! I really don't believe screeners live to pat down body parts, private or not.
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May 16, 2005 | 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by gregory carlin
The rules were that jackets do not have to be removed if there is only a camisole undreneath. Of course those are only the rules, they do not mean anything. They just put them in press releases after a strip search story has went horribly wrong and is reported on the TV news.
May 23, 2005 | 6:41 pm
#82
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Originally Posted by Cookie Jarvis
I really don't believe screeners live to pat down body parts, private or not.
The innocence of the thought.
Child Sexual Abuse and the Male Monopoly: An Empirical Exploration of Gender and a Sexual Interest in Children, Mike Freel, 2003, British Journal of Social Work, 33, 481-498
It is simply not possible to recruit one hundred men without having a significant paedophile problem. Why do you think that teacher and jail guard rape and abuse stories are a dozen a day in the media?
http://www.detnews.com/2005/specialr...A01-190120.htm
When it is really bad the good guys simply all leave and allow the ground to the predators. The MDOC recruited convicted sex criminals to guard the women prisoners. All the regular happy husbands had already fled.
The TSA had more than its fair share of sick types. Nen were searching little girls and women when it started and sexual assault inevitable.
May 23, 2005 | 6:58 pm
#83
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Originally Posted by exerda
Yep, my fiancee complained a lot after being forced to remove her jacket-style shirt that had only a camisole underneath. I'm sure it really helped the TSA see that she wasn't carrying anything illegal through the WTMD
I was discussing this recently this with politicians in London, the number of sexual assaults on girls was quite alarming.
Screeners were sexually assaulting Asian girls who were arriving home thinking their marriage prospects were compromised.
There should have been Senate hearings on the abuses. The TSA thought they could treat civilians as if they were in BOP Danbury.
The vetting was inadequate. It was obvious from the ubiquitous internet chatter that dubious people were heading over.
The fetishists and perverts were blabbing away on the net. Commonsense should have allowed the DOT to predict the inevitable.