I regularly wear Aloha Shirts through ITO, HNL,ATL,CVG, ORF, etc and have never been stopped. FYI, Aloha shirts are "baggy" and NOT tucked in!



Depends on whether you're using the "modern" definitiion...remember, our founding fathers were all rebels, in rebellion against a repressive government, sound familiar??

>>> take it off or go to secondary screening ...

(hypothetical although I plan to try it some day)

Here comes this guy wearing a baggy hooded sweatshirt with nothing underneath.

Screener: "you will have to take off your sweatshirt"

Unfortunately the only correct response at this point for the guy is "May I go behind a curtain to do it?"

To which the screener will likely respond with something like "OK, this way" as he leads the guy to the secondary screening area.

But if the screener says "take it off here" the guy has to obey. After all he chose to go to the airport dressed that way, unlike the guy who went to the airport with a razor blade in his shoe he knew nothing about and caught holy hell (I'm too lazy to find and insert the link to that post here)

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>>> Man made a comment that in a few years we'll be stripping naked. Screener who told him to take it off said that will "never happen."

It might happen accidentally if the person failed to ask "May I go behind..."

Au contraire. I wear my baggy sweatshirt with nothing on underneath and plan to follow orders and remove it right out in front of everybody. You're under no obligation to ask for a private screening.

Like many women, I often travel in sweat pants and a zip hoodie over a camisole. I have never been asked to take off the zip hoodie, and it has never made the metal detector go off. I would feel VERY uncomfortable standing publicly in just a camisole.

I have written both my Senators, Kohl and Feingold and my Congressman.

There's the problem. Which party pushed for the federalization of screeners? The Democrats. The senators who pushed for the lighter ban? Democrats.

We need to keep writing, but don't hold your breath.

Tell you what, you can use my address, and write to Senators Clinton and Schumer if you think that would help.

I don't think this is a Blue/ Red state issue. I attended both the RNC here and the DNC in Boston, and there is strong distaste for the TSA among the faithful of both parties.

oooooo.... now all of the terrorists are going to start their journeys from YVR.

Wwwwaaaaaahhhhh!

Interesting thread. Can't account for how they do it at other airports. (Yeah, I know, I am including this in most of my comments. That's because the responses I get are, "well, at airport xyz they made me....blah blah blah.")

Coats, sports coats, suit coats, blazers, jackets and athletic running jackets have to come off. That's the rule. However, there is room for common sense. If I see a woman wearing what appears to be a suit coat, but I cannot see anything indicating a blouse underneath, and what I'm talking about here is seeing nothing but skin where the coat is buttoned and forms a v-shape, I will ask her if she minds removing her coat. If she tells me that she does mind or says that she doesn't have anything else underneath that is presentable in public, I will then have her come through the walk-thru still wearing the coat. At this point, I have to make a determination if the material is thick enough to conceal any non-metallic prohibited item or weapon or if there are any unnatural bulges (shapes inconsistent with the natural contour of the body) before I decide to refer her to secondary screening or allow her to pass if she doesn't alarm the WTMD. Sorry, ladies, but leather coats will automatically get you referred to secondary screening.

If I see a loose-fitting garment that is unbuttoned, unzipped, unsnapped, and the woman is clearly wearing something else underneath which may be a t-shirt, tank top or camisol, I will ask her if she is wearing a jacket. If she says she is, I will ask her if she minds removing it. If she says it's a blouse, I will let her pass through. If it is made of thick material, I will make a determination if it's feasible that something else could be concealed underneath. In most cases, the material sways open enough that I feel reasonably confident that there is nothing else concealed underneath. If I have any doubts, then I refer the lady to secondary screening.

I've only addressed how I handle female passengers in this post because it's usually not an issue with male passengers, although I have had some men complain to me when asked to remove a jacket.

One last thing, and I've posted this before so bear with me if you've read this before. Some women are completely uninhibited and, I believe, look for opportunities to show off. I remember a lady who was wearing a western style snap-button shirt over her tank top that was partially buttoned with the bottom of the shirt tied above her waist in a Daisy Duke fashion. She asked me if she should remove her shirt because of all the metal buttons. I told her I didn't think it was necessary and thought she was going to come in. She hesitated and said she really didn't want to undergo secondary screening if she alarmed the WTMD (this was before we implemented the double-pass policy). I told her that usually things like large belt buckles or watch bands would alarm the WTMD but buttons on a shirt wouldn't. She unsnapped her shirt and threw it in a bin and walked through with her tank top revealing her artificially enhanced features. I then overheard her say to the passenger in front of her, "they always make me take off my shirt." To add insult to injury, the female screeners eyed me suspiciously as the lady obviously drew the attention of everybody at the checkpoint.

While I was IAD a few months ago, I approached the TSA checkpoint with a white T-Shirt and an unbuttoned, untucked dress shirt. The screener asked me to remove my jacket. I said, "well, what if I button it here" and I buttoned a single button in the middle of the shirt (still untucked), and so I said, "now, it's a shirt right?" He seemed a bit befuddled, and all this happend very quickly. The airport was not all busy, and so I pretty much didn't even have to break my stride as all this happened and I went through the WTMD without difficulty.

I would have replied that when I actually have a jacket on, I would be more than happy to remove it.

Here's a new one, that I bet hasn't been tried: wear a pair of somewhat loose fitting sweats/scrub pants to the airport. About an hour before going through security, pop a viagra. I wonder how they'll react to patting you down then?

Been there, done that. TSA suggested I change my name to "Johnny Wadd..."

Did they draw straws for who had to pat you down?

Un-American?

Males groping female prisoners is certainly very American. Some jails have *no* female staff. What do you think happened to the Abu Ghraib females. What do you honestly think?

Okay, that is probably the right answer, it was horrifying, absolutely depraved, I agree, show me an apology for that.

There is none.

It is a classified secret.

The USA is infamous for the sexual abuse of female prisoners. US jail guards have chained birthing mothers legs together. If one can think of it in a nightmare, it will happen.