Ex EU - a cautionary tale
#136



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Did I say they were the only EU country not on the list? Re-read what I wrote.
They are certainly the one of the only wealthy EU countries not on the list. I see Belgium and Netherlands also are excluded.
I think it may be Australia reciprocating their exclusion from EasyPass (exempt MUC weirdly), and access to their E-Gates. Good for them.
#137


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Preface: American with only a US passport who doesn't look remotely Swedish
My most common entry into the EU is at ARN. Since Mrs. Swede and kids also have Swedish passports, they dump me and go through the citizen line and grab our checked baggage. When I finally get to a passport booth, the border agent asks for the purpose of my visit as they thumb through my passport. I reply to them in Swedish that I'm here on vacation with my wife and kid(s) to visit my in-laws for a few weeks. The tone changes rather quickly; they then ask a few other high-level questions, compliment me on my Swedish-speaking abilities, and then stamp my passport and wish me a good day.
So yeah, being able to speak the local language helps.
I don't think a border agent at any EU airport has ever spoken to me when exiting the EU. They just simply look for the entry stamp and stamp the exit stamp as close to it as possible.
My most common entry into the EU is at ARN. Since Mrs. Swede and kids also have Swedish passports, they dump me and go through the citizen line and grab our checked baggage. When I finally get to a passport booth, the border agent asks for the purpose of my visit as they thumb through my passport. I reply to them in Swedish that I'm here on vacation with my wife and kid(s) to visit my in-laws for a few weeks. The tone changes rather quickly; they then ask a few other high-level questions, compliment me on my Swedish-speaking abilities, and then stamp my passport and wish me a good day.
So yeah, being able to speak the local language helps.
I don't think a border agent at any EU airport has ever spoken to me when exiting the EU. They just simply look for the entry stamp and stamp the exit stamp as close to it as possible.
#138
Interestingly, Germans are almost the only EU citizens that are not allowed to use the E-Gates in Australia! I remember landing at Darwin from East Timor and Germany was the glaring ommission from the large photograph of flags who could use the E-Gates. They even had an ABF lady shouting 'Any Germans?' to ensure they were sent to a manned desk.
That is not the full list.
Did I say they were the only EU country not on the list? Re-read what I wrote.
They are certainly the one of the only wealthy EU countries not on the list. I see Belgium and Netherlands also are excluded.
I think it may be Australia reciprocating their exclusion from EasyPass (exempt MUC weirdly), and access to their E-Gates. Good for them.
Did I say they were the only EU country not on the list? Re-read what I wrote.
They are certainly the one of the only wealthy EU countries not on the list. I see Belgium and Netherlands also are excluded.
I think it may be Australia reciprocating their exclusion from EasyPass (exempt MUC weirdly), and access to their E-Gates. Good for them.
Austria
Denmark
France
Finland
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
Sweden
=8 countries or around 29% of the total nations in the EU, leaving 71% of the EU nations as ineligible
https://www.abf.gov.au/entering-and-...gates/arrivals
you may wish to re read what I wrote also.
#139
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Have you ever tried going through them with the EU line? I have successfully used a US passport travelling with an EU citizen at EU passport lines, just had to be manned desk. Was under the impression that being a family like that was allowed. Not sure on 100% legality of this though.
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He was assured it wasn’t recorded and wouldn’t be an issue if he tried to re-enter at a later date, or for any entry to any other EU country. So, fingers crossed.
And, he couldn’t walk away and try again, because he was taken away for questioning before being released into the departure area for the night.
And, he couldn’t walk away and try again, because he was taken away for questioning before being released into the departure area for the night.
Did any of this happen? If not, it seems likely that the border guard has used some informal/unofficial process and not actually refused entry formally, just had the passenger informally withdraw their request for permission to enter Sweden.
Forgive the nave question but I thought when the boarder guard scans the passport before stamping that it should flag whether or not you've hit the 90 days? Or am I wrong? Only time I've been questioned on entry was in Berlin when I was asked how long I was planning on staying, as three weeks prior I'd left Malaga where the boarder guard didn't scan my passport and just stamped it there and then when I handed it over. I told the Berlin guard that and he just rolled his eyes and then stamped my passport.
Have you ever tried going through them with the EU line? I have successfully used a US passport travelling with an EU citizen at EU passport lines, just had to be manned desk. Was under the impression that being a family like that was allowed. Not sure on 100% legality of this though.
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#142

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Officially speaking, non-EU citizens who are travelling with an immediate family member that is an EU citizen may join the EU line in any country other than the family member's country of citizenship, and is similarly exempt from visa and in due course ETIAS fees. If travelling to the country of citizenship of the EU citizen, domestic rules of that country apply.
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- The EU citizen has effective freedom of movement to other EU states (freedom both of cost and of restrictions)
- That freedom of movement must include freedom to bring their immediate family members, otherwise it's ineffective
- But when the EU citizen is entering their country of citizenship, they are not exercising their freedom of movement under EU law but their right to enter their country of citizenship in that country's own law
- Therefore all of the above goes out the window and domestic rules apply 🙃
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Have you ever tried going through them with the EU line? I have successfully used a US passport travelling with an EU citizen at EU passport lines, just had to be manned desk. Was under the impression that being a family like that was allowed. Not sure on 100% legality of this though.
So, we all got into another line as my flight was just beyond the counter, with a final boarding call. Of course, I had the dreaded SSSS on my boarding pass, so I had to go get my bags and shoes swabbed, but the person doing the check took my boarding pass to the gate agent to scan, so that they wouldn't leave without me and could load my checked bag. Thankfully, the process was quick, I wasn't the last person to board my flight, and even after boarding completed, we still somehow pushed back 15 minutes early.
A few days prior, I had to get stamped out as I was flying ARN-LHR on SAS. Absolutely no issue, and I was quickly stamped out with no line for the desk.
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#145




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I used to get a few blunt questions when entering Sweden - in the days of Apartheid - due to the South African stamps in my passport. More recently over in Norway I was also queried at Troms when arriving from MAD, so a purely Schengen trip. I wanted to say my grandfather had fewer problems entering Troms in May 1945, but thought better of it.
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Thank you for the reply. So, do they route passengers to formal passport control, or do they just send border guards to meet the plane by the jetway and then select passengers "randomly" for additional questions?
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In this instance we walked past the old passport desks, which have been decommissioned, but the border agents were stamding by them, checking all IDs from all non domestic flights. I mistakenly pulled out my UK passport rather than my French passport, and that was given some extra checks. It didn't take more than a few minutes though.
#149




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OP, I am sorry your partner had that experience.
As a Swedish citizen even I’ve had unpleasant interactions at ARN after presenting my ID card instead of my passport. Usually I get a loud sigh and often a lecture that I’m not allowed to exit Schengen using the card (partly true)…
As a Swedish citizen even I’ve had unpleasant interactions at ARN after presenting my ID card instead of my passport. Usually I get a loud sigh and often a lecture that I’m not allowed to exit Schengen using the card (partly true)…
I wonder about the question in the OP though. Many seem to have bad experiences at ARN. Is it always the BA flight? That one departs/arrives from T2 and I wonder if it's a separate team working the border there? I have a bad gut feeling about the "interesting" destinations at T5 not receiving the same scrutiny described here.
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I generally find almost all staff at ARN, in any capacity, to be lacking inter-personal skills.
I wonder about the question in the OP though. Many seem to have bad experiences at ARN. Is it always the BA flight? That one departs/arrives from T2 and I wonder if it's a separate team working the border there? I have a bad gut feeling about the "interesting" destinations at T5 not receiving the same scrutiny described here.
I wonder about the question in the OP though. Many seem to have bad experiences at ARN. Is it always the BA flight? That one departs/arrives from T2 and I wonder if it's a separate team working the border there? I have a bad gut feeling about the "interesting" destinations at T5 not receiving the same scrutiny described here.



