The Basis (Such as it is) for the War on Liquids
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So, folks, I must confess something here - I have never traveled outside the United States except for a long-ago Bahamian cruise, so I have no experience with aviation security in any other countries.
Which means I don't know how many other countries other then the US have liquids restrictions similar to ours. I gather from posts here on FT that very few countries have them (other than on flights from other countries bound for the US, which abide by US TSA rules), but I'm not clear on the details.
So, how many other countries have liquids restrictions similar to the US, for either domestic or international (non-US-bound) flights?
Which means I don't know how many other countries other then the US have liquids restrictions similar to ours. I gather from posts here on FT that very few countries have them (other than on flights from other countries bound for the US, which abide by US TSA rules), but I'm not clear on the details.
So, how many other countries have liquids restrictions similar to the US, for either domestic or international (non-US-bound) flights?
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So, folks, I must confess something here - I have never traveled outside the United States except for a long-ago Bahamian cruise, so I have no experience with aviation security in any other countries.
Which means I don't know how many other countries other then the US have liquids restrictions similar to ours. I gather from posts here on FT that very few countries have them (other than on flights from other countries bound for the US, which abide by US TSA rules), but I'm not clear on the details.
So, how many other countries have liquids restrictions similar to the US, for either domestic or international (non-US-bound) flights?
Which means I don't know how many other countries other then the US have liquids restrictions similar to ours. I gather from posts here on FT that very few countries have them (other than on flights from other countries bound for the US, which abide by US TSA rules), but I'm not clear on the details.
So, how many other countries have liquids restrictions similar to the US, for either domestic or international (non-US-bound) flights?
The war on water is applicable in most of the countries to which I travel to/from/via more than once a year and/or when traveling on flights to the countries fully participating in the war on water. So it hits my flights to/from most countries on my trips.
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So, folks, I must confess something here - I have never traveled outside the United States except for a long-ago Bahamian cruise, so I have no experience with aviation security in any other countries.
Which means I don't know how many other countries other then the US have liquids restrictions similar to ours. I gather from posts here on FT that very few countries have them (other than on flights from other countries bound for the US, which abide by US TSA rules), but I'm not clear on the details.
So, how many other countries have liquids restrictions similar to the US, for either domestic or international (non-US-bound) flights?
Which means I don't know how many other countries other then the US have liquids restrictions similar to ours. I gather from posts here on FT that very few countries have them (other than on flights from other countries bound for the US, which abide by US TSA rules), but I'm not clear on the details.
So, how many other countries have liquids restrictions similar to the US, for either domestic or international (non-US-bound) flights?
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The main reason there are so few terrorist attacks is because there just aren't that many terrorists, and even fewer who are competent. Which is a good thing, because TSA does a terrible job of detecting test attacks.
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Here’s a UA flight bombing in 1933 which some blamed on a liquid bomb:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933...-air_explosion
And yet for over 70 years, the US didn’t decide to wage this kind of “war on water” at airports.
A chunk of solid sodium flushed down the plane lavatory would make quite the big bang due to the plane’s water, and it wouldn’t take much genius to place the chunks in water-soluble gel caps or as tablets to make them look like medicine and then do so. Ban plane lavatories from having water, ban airlines from serving beverages, and ban medicine from planes? Good luck keeping the industry alive as is with such restrictions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933...-air_explosion
And yet for over 70 years, the US didn’t decide to wage this kind of “war on water” at airports.
A chunk of solid sodium flushed down the plane lavatory would make quite the big bang due to the plane’s water, and it wouldn’t take much genius to place the chunks in water-soluble gel caps or as tablets to make them look like medicine and then do so. Ban plane lavatories from having water, ban airlines from serving beverages, and ban medicine from planes? Good luck keeping the industry alive as is with such restrictions.
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Extremist nutters (of any flavour) *are* willing to do these things. But they usually do them for local reasons. Doing things against a 'great power' just annoys the great power. They'll rail against the Great Satan, but they are doing so to appeal to the local audience, and their violent actions tend to be very locally focused in intent.
The "war on water" is futile. The *only* people to benefit from it are the governments imposing it (fear = control) and the bogeyman they're using to impose it.
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The EU and the non-EU Schengen area countries wage the war on water at all EU/Schengen airports for at least regularly scheduled common carrier flights.
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The few countries that don’t have domestic restrictions similar to the rest of the world are in the Pacific region, and South America.
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There was no punitive comprehensive bag search out of my sight, accompanied by a full grope. Instead, while the bag was right there on the belt, the screener verified it was my bag, opened it, glanced at the xray and pulled the bottle of water.
Then the screener offered me the bottle of water, asking if I wanted to drink it first, right there, or just give it up.
So civilized. So much faster than a similar encounter in the US generally is.
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I have. Very different experience than in the US.
There was no punitive comprehensive bag search out of my sight, accompanied by a full grope. Instead, while the bag was right there on the belt, the screener verified it was my bag, opened it, glanced at the xray and pulled the bottle of water.
Then the screener offered me the bottle of water, asking if I wanted to drink it first, right there, or just give it up.
So civilized. So much faster than a similar encounter in the US generally is.
There was no punitive comprehensive bag search out of my sight, accompanied by a full grope. Instead, while the bag was right there on the belt, the screener verified it was my bag, opened it, glanced at the xray and pulled the bottle of water.
Then the screener offered me the bottle of water, asking if I wanted to drink it first, right there, or just give it up.
So civilized. So much faster than a similar encounter in the US generally is.
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Not sure what you are asking. "Latin America" is a socio-political construct, whereas North and South America are geo-political constructs. From a geo standpoint, a country is either in North America or South America.
Ref Africa - my understanding is that for the few countries in Africa that have regular commercial domestic air travel, the restrictions on liquids are either similar to or more restrictive than in most other countries.
Ref Africa - my understanding is that for the few countries in Africa that have regular commercial domestic air travel, the restrictions on liquids are either similar to or more restrictive than in most other countries.

