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Old May 20, 2018 | 10:59 am
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those explosive detectors

Didn't realize that the body scanners pick up handkerchiefs .

I was therefore singled out and they swiped me and my hands with that strip to put in the (I assume ) explosive detections machine.

Don't these people realize that any self respecting terrorist would have someone else handle any explosives and place them in his suitcases or carry-on for him?
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Old May 20, 2018 | 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by ente_09
Didn't realize that the body scanners pick up handkerchiefs .

I was therefore singled out and they swiped me and my hands with that strip to put in the (I assume ) explosive detections machine.

Don't these people realize that any self respecting terrorist would have someone else handle any explosives and place them in his suitcases or carry-on for him?
I've been saying that for years. And further, that self respecting terrorist would make darned sure that he did not have a handkerchief in his pocket either. This is why TSA's failure rate is so high.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 7:54 am
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
I've been saying that for years. And further, that self respecting terrorist would make darned sure that he did not have a handkerchief in his pocket either. This is why TSA's failure rate is so high.
Any self respecting "explosives" detector would not false alarm on, of all things, a handkerchief.

As for terrorists, given that in the U.S. they are primarily white nationalists, I suspect that they might not wear a handkerchief just for cultural reasons. Of course, TSA has confessed that there have been no threats to U.S. domestic-departing aviation at all since 9/11. So talking about what they would or wouldn't do is a theological question, akin to debating the number of hairs on the armpit of an angel. Not an empirical one.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by saizai
Any self respecting "explosives" detector would not false alarm on, of all things, a handkerchief.

As for terrorists, given that in the U.S. they are primarily white nationalists, I suspect that they might not wear a handkerchief just for cultural reasons. Of course, TSA has confessed that there have been no threats to U.S. domestic-departing aviation at all since 9/11. So talking about what they would or wouldn't do is a theological question, akin to debating the number of hairs on the armpit of an angel. Not an empirical one.
They're talking body scanners, WBI, not ETD. Even at that ETD is so flawed that it makes those machines near useless for actually doing what they claim to do.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 8:47 am
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They're talking body scanners, WBI, not ETD. Even at that ETD is so flawed that it makes those machines near useless for actually doing what they claim to do.
I know. I fully intended to include that in my comment. Body scanners should not "alarm" on a handkerchief.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by saizai
I know. I fully intended to include that in my comment. Body scanners should not "alarm" on a handkerchief.
The MMW Body Scanner with ATR often alarms on my bare neck. No implants, jewelry, markings, or other unusual items. Really unsettling getting bare skin pat downs. Guess TSA thinks my neck is a realistic replica.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
The MMW Body Scanner with ATR often alarms on my bare neck. No implants, jewelry, markings, or other unusual items. Really unsettling getting bare skin pat downs. Guess TSA thinks my neck is a realistic replica.
wonder if well endowed men get identified as terrorists too. I have heard of people sticking a cucumber down there to see what happens
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Old May 21, 2018 | 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by ente_09
wonder if well endowed men get identified as terrorists too. I have heard of people sticking a cucumber down there to see what happens
Don't forget to wrap it in aluminum foil first.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 10:41 am
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I had weight loss surgery in December and I've heard that the staples can set off either the metal detectors or the scanners. I've only been through the former since the surgery and the staples haven't set it off.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by saizai
Any self respecting "explosives" detector would not false alarm on, of all things, a handkerchief.

As for terrorists, given that in the U.S. they are primarily white nationalists, I suspect that they might not wear a handkerchief just for cultural reasons. Of course, TSA has confessed that there have been no threats to U.S. domestic-departing aviation at all since 9/11. So talking about what they would or wouldn't do is a theological question, akin to debating the number of hairs on the armpit of an angel. Not an empirical one.
Except this was the body scanner that alarmed on the handkerchief and that led to the ETD testing.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by TribalistMeathead
I had weight loss surgery in December and I've heard that the staples can set off either the metal detectors or the scanners. I've only been through the former since the surgery and the staples haven't set it off.
Have plates and screws in my back and haven't alarmed WTMD or WBI.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 1:35 pm
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From the experiences of my friends, it takes something along the lines of an artificial knee or hip to trigger a metal detector. A large metal plate might also, although I have a friend with a fairly large plate in his tibia that never alarms on metal detectors. Friends with staples and screws have not reported anything.

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Old May 21, 2018 | 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by saizai
Of course, TSA has confessed that there have been no threats to U.S. domestic-departing aviation at all since 9/11. So talking about what they would or wouldn't do is a theological question, akin to debating the number of hairs on the armpit of an angel. Not an empirical one.
a little bit of an exaggeration. There are always threats; there must be because this forum is replete with condemnations of the TSA for missing 95% of the threats....

more accurate to say "there have been no attacks on U.S. domestic-departing aviation..."
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Old May 21, 2018 | 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Section 107
a little bit of an exaggeration. There are always threats; there must be because this forum is replete with condemnations of the TSA for missing 95% of the threats....

more accurate to say "there have been no attacks on U.S. domestic-departing aviation..."
The 95% was for Red Team test items missed by TSA, not actual threats. I think the statement goes back to no known active threats in play. That doesn't mean there are no unknown threats being planned.
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Old May 21, 2018 | 5:34 pm
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Body scanners can also alarm on moisture, so sweat can do this too.
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