TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
Sep 13, 2018, 6:51 am
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If the special scanning machine was the AIT, it will display areas that alarm, and then the TSO only pats down the areas that show an alarm - based upon your comment, this is what appears to have happened.
Sep 13, 2018, 8:56 am
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As far as I am concerned, if TSA thinks I have something prohibited stashed in my crotch it's time for TSA to stop the screening and refer the issue to police. There has to be limits to what TSA screeners are allowed to do. I think it is reasonable to say those limits start with keeping clothing on and not touching genitals.
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Sep 13, 2018, 9:20 am
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Why can't the public know if TSA pat down screening protocol involves groping (and yes, I know that TSA would never use the word grope) genitals? How could knowing that possibly compromise security?
As far as I am concerned if TSA thinks I have something prohibited stashed in my crotch it's time for TSA to stop the screening and refer the issue to police. There has to be limits to what TSA screeners are allowed to do. I think it is reasonable to say those limits start with keeping clothing on and not touching genitals.
As far as I am concerned if TSA thinks I have something prohibited stashed in my crotch it's time for TSA to stop the screening and refer the issue to police. There has to be limits to what TSA screeners are allowed to do. I think it is reasonable to say those limits start with keeping clothing on and not touching genitals.
Yes, anytime a screener has reasonable suspicion about someone's crotch or clothing removal is required, trained LEs should be involved in the search. I simply do not believe the courts support repeated intimate genital contact and clothing removal as part of suspicionless 'administrative' searches.
Sep 13, 2018, 9:41 am
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Yes, anytime a screener has reasonable suspicion about someone's crotch or clothing removal is required, trained LEs should be involved in the search. I simply do not believe the courts support repeated intimate genital contact and clothing removal as part of suspicionless 'administrative' searches.
Yes, anytime a screener has reasonable suspicion about someone's crotch or clothing removal is required, trained LEs should be involved in the search. I simply do not believe the courts support repeated intimate genital contact and clothing removal as part of suspicionless 'administrative' searches.
Sep 13, 2018, 9:58 am
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Just when you thought the Transportation Security Administration’s (TSA) passenger-screening procedures couldn’t get any worse, they did. As of Thursday, the agency is now conducting “comprehensive” pat-downs on all passengers who require pat-downs...TSA public-affairs manager Nico Melendez told the Redding Record Searchlight there’s another reason for the new policy: It “lessens the cognitive burden for our officers.”
Sep 13, 2018, 10:16 am
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I'm sick of fingers slipping into my underwear and dipping into my butt crack while supposedly checking to see that I don't have an explosive nitroglycerine pills artfully concealed in the waistband of my underwear or my butt crack.
In the case of the WTMD, it's a false beep that generates an entirely unjustified, completely suspicionless full-body grope looking for a non-existent item.
I belleve the AITs are set to randomly flag genitals and breasts for the same reason - to trigger a grope.
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Sep 13, 2018, 10:21 am
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I would consider the butt crack to be an intimate area. It really isn't that hard to grasp, well except for TSA types.
Sep 13, 2018, 3:00 pm
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The public was told by TSA last year that if the AIT machine alarms on any area of the body, "the agency is now conducting “comprehensive” pat-downs on all passengers who require pat-downs." Comprehensive pat down being the code word for hands in the genitals. Are you now saying that the TSA never said or did this?
TSA quietly launches new 'enhanced' pat-down procedure
The Transportation Security Administration has quietly adopted new "enhanced" pat-down searches for screening passengers at U.S. airports, a response to weaknesses in airport security.
The TSA on Thursday began using a "universal pat-down" procedure that includes "enhanced security measures" to replace several pat-down tactics used in the past by TSA screeners that are presumably less invasive.
The TSA on Thursday began using a "universal pat-down" procedure that includes "enhanced security measures" to replace several pat-down tactics used in the past by TSA screeners that are presumably less invasive.
Sep 13, 2018, 3:04 pm
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So, can you confirm that it is currently the agency-wide policy that any and all alarms on WTMD or AIT will lead to a full-body pat-down, and that targeted area pat-downs are no longer performed?
Sep 13, 2018, 3:20 pm
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Agreed, you did not comment on what IS the policy now, you merely commented on what policy appeared to have led to nrr's experience.
So, can you confirm that it is currently the agency-wide policy that any and all alarms on WTMD or AIT will lead to a full-body pat-down, and that targeted area pat-downs are no longer performed?
So, can you confirm that it is currently the agency-wide policy that any and all alarms on WTMD or AIT will lead to a full-body pat-down, and that targeted area pat-downs are no longer performed?
If so, then the partial pat down was in apparent violation of TSA's current prototcol as set forth last year.
Sep 13, 2018, 3:32 pm
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However, nrr said he/she "recently" experienced the partial pat down after alarming the AIT and that experience was different from than indicated by the title of this thread and https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27987283-post1.html.
If so, then the partial pat down was in apparent violation of TSA's current prototcol as set forth last year.
If so, then the partial pat down was in apparent violation of TSA's current prototcol as set forth last year.
Sep 13, 2018, 5:44 pm
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A better question is what kind of adult would create policy to grope 13 year old children and what kind of adult would actually do these disgusting acts?
Just a few yards from where I sit right now is a federal facility housing a large number of sex crime offenders, many of which would be crimes against children. Why are TSA screeners getting away with what others go to prison for?
Just a few yards from where I sit right now is a federal facility housing a large number of sex crime offenders, many of which would be crimes against children. Why are TSA screeners getting away with what others go to prison for?
Sep 13, 2018, 6:36 pm
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Out of kilter? If it isn't TSA then I'm living in the matrix.
Sep 14, 2018, 9:55 am
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Does the boob chop count or no? I've always gotten them when I got picked for a pat down, but recently, a lady put her finger under the bra strap and felt around the band & underwire. That was a first for me.