Congress Wants TSA to Secure Amtrak & Buses
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Their biggest crime was Flying While Black. ΔΣΘ is a world-class honorary sororiety with a pretty impressive "famous members" list.
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Spend some time using one of these machines and you will learn how ambiguous many items look on the monitor.
Seriously, next time you go to your local courthouse, ask to do a "ride-along" and fi they will let you watch the deputies/bailiffs/security as they run the scanners. Then, see if you can tell that a dense object is benign simply because of the person who brought it is identified with one or another group.
Larry Craig and Anthony Weiner are (were) part of a VERY elite group that should by all accounts be considered beyond reproach as a security threat - would you want to touch their laptops....?
Seriously, next time you go to your local courthouse, ask to do a "ride-along" and fi they will let you watch the deputies/bailiffs/security as they run the scanners. Then, see if you can tell that a dense object is benign simply because of the person who brought it is identified with one or another group.
Larry Craig and Anthony Weiner are (were) part of a VERY elite group that should by all accounts be considered beyond reproach as a security threat - would you want to touch their laptops....?
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Spend some time using one of these machines and you will learn how ambiguous many items look on the monitor.
Seriously, next time you go to your local courthouse, ask to do a "ride-along" and fi they will let you watch the deputies/bailiffs/security as they run the scanners. Then, see if you can tell that a dense object is benign simply because of the person who brought it is identified with one or another group.
Larry Craig and Anthony Weiner are (were) part of a VERY elite group that should by all accounts be considered beyond reproach as a security threat - would you want to touch their laptops....?
Seriously, next time you go to your local courthouse, ask to do a "ride-along" and fi they will let you watch the deputies/bailiffs/security as they run the scanners. Then, see if you can tell that a dense object is benign simply because of the person who brought it is identified with one or another group.
Larry Craig and Anthony Weiner are (were) part of a VERY elite group that should by all accounts be considered beyond reproach as a security threat - would you want to touch their laptops....?
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And how do you "identify it" as a book without leafing through it?
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If so, can you really say with a straight face that backing lines up for three hours and calling in additional people to bag check hundreds of bags to verify that the same book everyone was carrying was really a book was a good example of intelligent 'risk assessment'?
Profiling? Well, these were all women from a well-established and respected sorority. They were not Arabic-speaking shifty-eyed burka-wearing ladies with thick, heavy books in a foreign language. They were, however, black.
In other words, there was a clear shortage of common sense. With all due respect, if this had been a convention of US military vets all carrying a similar souvenir book, I suspect it would have been handled much differently.
This was a perfect opportunity for TSA to exercise 'risk assessment'. They failed and made themselves look like complete fools in the process. Oddly enough, it seems the BDOs were either too busy jacking their jaws or playing with their cellphones to assist.
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You take it out of the bag, open the front and back cover, see there are pages and voila, it's a book. If it were a real issue, lines would be backed up to kingdom come with screeners looking through every book they come across or books would be banned in carry-ons. That they aren't, says books aren't a threat and if they are not a threat, there is no need to go leafing through pages.
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You take it out of the bag, open the front and back cover, see there are pages and voila, it's a book. If it were a real issue, lines would be backed up to kingdom come with screeners looking through every book they come across or books would be banned in carry-ons. That they aren't, says books aren't a threat and if they are not a threat, there is no need to go leafing through pages.
A group of clever middle-school kids would have figured that one out quite quickly. Of course, kids in class aren't distracted by their cellphones and personal conversations and they are expected to focus on the assigned task.
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Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.
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Ha, ha! They might be, but no, just pointing out when it comes to security screening one does not judge a book by its cover. Each inspection is taken on its own.
Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.
Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.
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Ha, ha! They might be, but no, just pointing out when it comes to security screening one does not judge a book by its cover. Each inspection is taken on its own.
Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.
Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.
Yes. I realize TSA couldn't care less if people missed their flights.
However, I think I can safely guarantee that during that multi-hour mess, when they were calling in additional help, 90% of their focus was on black women's hair and black women's souvenir books.
Fortunately for me, the pax that TSA hates but is paid to protect, no bad male decided to do something bad that day while the TSOs were scrambling around checking each book and bag.
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Sorry -- I've been in & out of Hobby hundreds of times during Space Shuttle missions. There isn't a lot that goes on other than NASA events on the south side of the Houston metro area. Any TSA manager worth their salt (assuming there are any..) would have known that this annual conference was going on and would have prepared for a large number of young women with a certain souvenir book fly out out of Hobby on the same day. Unlike what happens ten miles south of Hobby, this isn't rocket science.
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(bolding mine)
Yes. I realize TSA couldn't care less if people missed their flights.
However, I think I can safely guarantee that during that multi-hour mess, when they were calling in additional help, 90% of their focus was on black women's hair and black women's souvenir books.
Fortunately for me, the pax that TSA hates but is paid to protect, no bad male decided to do something bad that day while the TSOs were scrambling around checking each book and bag.
Yes. I realize TSA couldn't care less if people missed their flights.
However, I think I can safely guarantee that during that multi-hour mess, when they were calling in additional help, 90% of their focus was on black women's hair and black women's souvenir books.
Fortunately for me, the pax that TSA hates but is paid to protect, no bad male decided to do something bad that day while the TSOs were scrambling around checking each book and bag.
I'm am always ready to reconsider if evidence is presented demonstrating my suspicions are incorrect.
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(bolding mine)
Yes. I realize TSA couldn't care less if people missed their flights.
However, I think I can safely guarantee that during that multi-hour mess, when they were calling in additional help, 90% of their focus was on black women's hair and black women's souvenir books.
Fortunately for me, the pax that TSA hates but is paid to protect, no bad male decided to do something bad that day while the TSOs were scrambling around checking each book and bag.
Yes. I realize TSA couldn't care less if people missed their flights.
However, I think I can safely guarantee that during that multi-hour mess, when they were calling in additional help, 90% of their focus was on black women's hair and black women's souvenir books.
Fortunately for me, the pax that TSA hates but is paid to protect, no bad male decided to do something bad that day while the TSOs were scrambling around checking each book and bag.
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Ha, ha! They might be, but no, just pointing out when it comes to security screening one does not judge a book by its cover. Each inspection is taken on its own.
Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.
Hence, why grandparents and grandbabies need to be screened.
Look, if they didn't check the 501st book because the first 500 were benign and that 501st turned out to have a bomb in it many of the commenters here would be screaming "incompetence." Yet, those same folks are sounding off at how incompetent the screeners are because they did check each one. Whatever.
No doubt, TSA could and should have managed the situation much better. But it didn't occur because of the color of the passengers.