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EU May Require Visas for US/Canada citizens [Update: Electronic Travel Authorization]

EU May Require Visas for US/Canada citizens [Update: Electronic Travel Authorization]

Old Apr 7, 16, 9:09 am
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EU May Require Visas for US/Canada citizens [Update: Electronic Travel Authorization]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0X4183

Originally Posted by Reuters
EU may require visas from Americans and Canadians: EU source

The European Union executive is considering whether to make U.S. and Canadian citizens apply for visas before traveling to the bloc, a move that could raise tensions as Brussels negotiates a trade pact with Washington.

..... the European Commission must decide by April 12 whether to demand visas from countries who have similar requirements in place for one or more EU state.

Washington and Ottawa both demand entry visas from Romanians and Bulgarians, whose states joined the EU in 2007. The United States also excludes Croatians, Cypriots and Poles from a visa waiver scheme offered to other EU citizens.
This is due to the EU trying to have a position of solidarity with other EU states on these matters. Personally, I'd be surprised if the Schengen countries go for anything more than a US-style ESTA type scheme (which is really an electronic visa scheme of sorts) any time soon; and even that would take some time to implement.

I wouldn't welcome this expanded requirement to get visas to travel.

http://time.com/4284875/eu-visa-united-states-canada/

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Old Apr 7, 16, 10:30 am
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Let's not forget that there was a period in the 1980s-1990s when France required visas of all USA citizens. The requirement was dropped before my IIRC three-year visa expired.
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Old Apr 7, 16, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
Let's not forget that there was a period in the 1980s-1990s when France required visas of all USA citizens. The requirement was dropped before my IIRC three-year visa expired.
I never had a visa for France in any of my US passports that was valid during the 1990s. And I did visit France in the 1990s, or at least each year from 1991-2000.
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Old Apr 7, 16, 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
I never had a visa for France in any of my US passports that was valid during the 1990s. And I did visit France in the 1990s, or at least each year from 1991-2000.
US passport holders needed French visas in the late 80's. I had one that was issued in February 1988.
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Time for EU and US (or even North America) cooperation. But unlikely to happen. I now have ESTAs ETAs and IMMIs, what next?
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I would like to say "serves them right" but these restrictions only hurt ordinary people, not the responsible governments.
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Originally Posted by :D! View Post
I would like to say "serves them right" but these restrictions only hurt ordinary people, not the responsible governments.
I don't see such new EU/Schengen country visa restrictions doing me much of any good.

And my opinion about this is the same as my opinion about my country having a quasi-visa thing via ESTA requirements.

More restrictive visa regimes indeed do further complicate travel for ordinary visitors more than for anybody else.
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Originally Posted by :D! View Post
I would like to say "serves them right" but these restrictions only hurt ordinary people, not the responsible governments.
But those affected are also those who are responsible for voting in their legislative assembly. That's actually pretty much how these things are supposed to work: if a country reneges on its agreements, its citizens will feel the effects, and they're the ones ultimately responsible for fixing the situation. I don't see any better alternatives.

Note: this issue isn't just about new EU states, but also citizens of existing states being arbitrarily excluded due to new laws that congress introduced in 2015.

// Edit: this is the official EU letter regarding the December 2015 US legislation: http://www.niacaction.org/eu-respond...r-reciprocity/

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US passport holders needed French visas in the late 80's. I had one that was issued in February 1988.
Sane here. I had to get a French Visa in 1987 when I went to Paris sightseeing. To get it a Visa you had to fill out a form, drop off your Passport and form at the French Embassy, then wait for them to call you to retrieve your passport. There was a full page Visa, with your travel dates in a random page in your Passport.
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The EU requiring visas from US citizens is long overdue, the reciprocity that visa agreements are normally based on was removed when the U.S. introduced ESTA, which constitutes a visa for all intents and purposes.
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Originally Posted by mfkne View Post
The EU requiring visas from US citizens is long overdue, the reciprocity that visa agreements are normally based on was removed when the U.S. introduced ESTA, which constitutes a visa for all intents and purposes.
American tourists are too much of a cash cow for many western European economies for that to happen as this will negatively affect the number of Americans traveling to Europe.

In addition, this tit-for-tat is plain stupid; the percetage of US citizens illegally overstaying the Schengen stay limits is miniscule compared to the percentage of Eastern Europeans, i.e., Romanians and Bulgarians, who remain in the US illegally past the expiration of their authorized entry permits.
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Originally Posted by TWA884 View Post
American tourists are too much of a cash cow for many western European economies for that to happen as this will negatively affect the number of Americans traveling to Europe.

In addition, this tit-for-tat is plain stupid; the percetage of US citizens illegally overstaying the Schengen stay limits is miniscule compared to the percentage of Eastern Europeans, i.e., Romanians and Bulgarians, who remain in the US illegally past the expiration of their authorized entry permits.
I think that a Schengen evisa regime akin to the US ESTA/evisa regime wouldn't really kill the American cash cow providing milk to the Schengen tourism sector.
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I think that a Schengen evisa regime akin to the US ESTA/evisa regime wouldn't really kill the American cash cow providing milk to the Schengen tourism sector.
I tend to agree with your assessment, however, I was responding to an assertion that "[t]he EU requiring visas from US citizens is long overdue."

There is a big difference between obtaining an electronic entry permit and applying for a traditional visa.
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What is a visa but a permit to apply for entry? Apart from the way you apply for it and the paperwork required there's not much difference between "a proper" visa and ESTA, as evidenced by the fact you even have to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by TWA884 View Post
I tend to agree with your assessment, however, I was responding to an assertion that "[t]he EU requiring visas from US citizens is long overdue."

There is a big difference between obtaining an electronic entry permit and applying for a traditional visa.
I consider the electronic entry permit to be but an electronic version of a traditional visa, with the primary difference being that the physical passport generally doesn't get into to the hands of the visa-issuing government's personnel until arrival in the visa-issuing country.
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