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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 11:09 pm
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The train station at CPH will be a fun place to be

So Swedish news media have announced that CPH train station will be closed from 27 December to the morning of the 29th. The reason is remodelling, to ensure compliance with a new Swedish law, taking effect on 4/1, which will requires train operators to perform ID checks on all passengers, and imposes a very substantial fine for any failure to do so.

State-owned Swedish SJ has already announced they are scrapping all services to Denmark. resundstg will continue, but with CPH as the terminus both out of Sweden and out of Helsingr via Copenhagen Central. So the CPH station will be the border checkpoint. The many thousands of daily train commuters between the Copenhagen and Malm region will have to change trains. This should be especially fun at rush hour, as frequencies will also be cut.

I'm personally very sad that it's ended up like this. I'm old enough to remember travelling from Sweden to CPH via bus and the Limhamn-Dragr ferry, or the SK non-hovering hovercraft, and the delight over them being replaced by a local and frequent train. I'm afraid I can now confidently predict pandemonium at CPH's train station for the foreseeable future. Maybe it's just a Swedish government plot to make people from Southern Sweden take the train to ARN instead?
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 2:40 am
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Instead of taking the train to ARN you can easily go to Stickholm via MMX.

Anyway, quite sad to see this happening, even more amazed that Germany still doesn't see they have do to something effective to limit the illegal immigration and keep the real refugee stream organized.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 2:43 am
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Their hands are being forced. Make sure to vote for a political party at the next election that wants to prevent such problems before they reach a boiling point. I would hope/imagine Denmark to do something similar with trains to/from Germany?

The inconvenience to commuters does not outweigh the permanent damage to a country if these measures are not introduced.

It is somewhat promising Sweden was able to introduce this despite the otherwise apparent political gridlock in terms of improving and securing the country.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by fassy
Instead of taking the train to ARN you can easily go to Stickholm via MMX.
If you are in the Malm/Lund conurbation, yes. But if you are further up in Smland, then taking the train to CPH rather than ARN will no longer be a no-brainer.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 2:48 am
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Their hands are being forced. Make sure to vote for a political party at the next election that wants to prevent such problems before they reach a boiling point. I would hope/imagine Denmark to do something similar with trains to/from Germany?

The inconvenience to commuters does not outweigh the permanent damage to a country if these measures are not introduced.

It is somewhat promising Sweden was able to introduce this despite the otherwise apparent political gridlock in terms of improving and securing the country.
Whooo-hey, OMNI territory here! Yes, being the country at the end of the railway line is perilous, but neither the refugee situation nor the plight of the resund commuters are topics for this forum. But what is relevant to this forum is that the train connection between CPH and Southern Sweden is going to be a source of frustration for the foreseeable future.
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I do not understand how this will work for people who commute from Copenhagen to the airport. Are they going to separate trains to Sweden and trains to Kastrup? Will the trains still stop between CPH and the Swedish border?
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 5:10 am
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I do not understand how this will work for people who commute from Copenhagen to the airport. Are they going to separate trains to Sweden and trains to Kastrup? Will the trains still stop between CPH and the Swedish border?
The trains from Copenhagen to the airport will end in the airport, there will be a separate train from the airport to Sweden and back as far as I have read.
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Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag
So Swedish news media have announced that CPH train station will be closed from 27 December to the morning of the 29th. The reason is remodelling, to ensure compliance with a new Swedish law, taking effect on 4/1, which will requires train operators to perform ID checks on all passengers, and imposes a very substantial fine for any failure to do so.

State-owned Swedish SJ has already announced they are scrapping all services to Denmark. resundstg will continue, but with CPH as the terminus both out of Sweden and out of Helsingr via Copenhagen Central. So the CPH station will be the border checkpoint. The many thousands of daily train commuters between the Copenhagen and Malm region will have to change trains. This should be especially fun at rush hour, as frequencies will also be cut.

I'm personally very sad that it's ended up like this. I'm old enough to remember travelling from Sweden to CPH via bus and the Limhamn-Dragr ferry, or the SK non-hovering hovercraft, and the delight over them being replaced by a local and frequent train. I'm afraid I can now confidently predict pandemonium at CPH's train station for the foreseeable future. Maybe it's just a Swedish government plot to make people from Southern Sweden take the train to ARN instead?
It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH. The train operator has apparently decided that it will be most convenient to conduct these ID checks at CPH rather than elsewhere on Sweden-bound trains that originate in CPH or pass through CPH.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH. The train operator has apparently decided that it will be most convenient to conduct these ID checks at CPH rather than elsewhere on Sweden-bound trains that originate in CPH or pass through CPH.
The way I understand it, the new law requires the train operator to ensure that all boarding passengers have a legal right to enter Sweden, or they will be fined. It appears that this requirement can (at a push) be accommodated at CPH, but not at Copenhagen's Hovedbanegrd. Many of the trains continue past Copenhagen Central, serving all stations to Helsingr, so it would be highly impractical to say the least. Better enable to trains on the Danish side to run according to a recognisable schedule, and leave the chaos to the Sweden-bound trains. On these, Swedish police will still board the trains at Hyllie in order to do the official checks.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH.
It is no different than performing ID/visa check on all passengers boarding a flight. The idea is to weed out the illegals [as determined/defined by the destination country] before they even get to travel - rather than catching them once they have arrived.

Or do you think this procedure is odd for flights, too?
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 6:43 am
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So to take a train to Malme, I would have to show my national ID (or passport for non-EU nationals), but there would be no document check if I decide to take a flight to ARN (Or they also introduced document check on flights to Sweden - my last flight to ARN was on Dec 4 and there was no document check at the gate.)
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 7:44 am
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So to take a train to Malme, I would have to show my national ID (or passport for non-EU nationals), but there would be no document check if I decide to take a flight to ARN (Or they also introduced document check on flights to Sweden - my last flight to ARN was on Dec 4 and there was no document check at the gate.)
No document in checks in CPH airport anywhere (besides random ones and for non-Schengen departures). Being a refugee I would dish out a CPH-GOT Plus ticket on SK, walk through the fast line security and be on my way to the holy land in the Nordics.

Same for Germany. Had a flight MUC-ARN last week, not have been checked on ID anywhere a long the line.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 7:48 am
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This will all change on January 4th, no doubt.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag
But what is relevant to this forum is that the train connection between CPH and Southern Sweden is going to be a source of frustration for the foreseeable future.
Indeed. Even as things are now, it's not a rare instance where on arrival at CPH I can't even board the first train from CPH to Sweden because of how packed the trains can be during the rush hours. If you are carrying luggage in excess of cabin baggage size, the rail service cutbacks/changes at CPH are going to make things even worse than they already are, since train frequency will be cut and there's a limit to how long the trains can be made without having to do step moves after the trains arrive at CPH.

Perhaps I'm going to use MMX and other Swedish airports more as a result of the CPH hassle arising from the changed situation when using these train services across the Sound. KL may end up gaining a bit more too, at SK's expense.

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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH. The train operator has apparently decided that it will be most convenient to conduct these ID checks at CPH rather than elsewhere on Sweden-bound trains that originate in CPH or pass through CPH.
Not odd at all. The train operators don't want to be fined per actionable passenger incident of human trafficking across the bridge into Sweden. And when the train operators also don't have on-board staff (unionized?) willing and able to play the role of border control police without messing up the train schedules in a massive way, guess what happens? This kind of stuff.

They are also paying for a barrier to go up between Track 1 and Track 2 at CPH. This is to stop people from crossing the tracks in a way that would help some to circumvent the upcoming check process.
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