The train station at CPH will be a fun place to be
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The train station at CPH will be a fun place to be
So Swedish news media have announced that CPH train station will be closed from 27 December to the morning of the 29th. The reason is remodelling, to ensure compliance with a new Swedish law, taking effect on 4/1, which will requires train operators to perform ID checks on all passengers, and imposes a very substantial fine for any failure to do so.
State-owned Swedish SJ has already announced they are scrapping all services to Denmark. resundstg will continue, but with CPH as the terminus both out of Sweden and out of Helsingr via Copenhagen Central. So the CPH station will be the border checkpoint. The many thousands of daily train commuters between the Copenhagen and Malm region will have to change trains. This should be especially fun at rush hour, as frequencies will also be cut.
I'm personally very sad that it's ended up like this. I'm old enough to remember travelling from Sweden to CPH via bus and the Limhamn-Dragr ferry, or the SK non-hovering hovercraft, and the delight over them being replaced by a local and frequent train. I'm afraid I can now confidently predict pandemonium at CPH's train station for the foreseeable future. Maybe it's just a Swedish government plot to make people from Southern Sweden take the train to ARN instead?
State-owned Swedish SJ has already announced they are scrapping all services to Denmark. resundstg will continue, but with CPH as the terminus both out of Sweden and out of Helsingr via Copenhagen Central. So the CPH station will be the border checkpoint. The many thousands of daily train commuters between the Copenhagen and Malm region will have to change trains. This should be especially fun at rush hour, as frequencies will also be cut.
I'm personally very sad that it's ended up like this. I'm old enough to remember travelling from Sweden to CPH via bus and the Limhamn-Dragr ferry, or the SK non-hovering hovercraft, and the delight over them being replaced by a local and frequent train. I'm afraid I can now confidently predict pandemonium at CPH's train station for the foreseeable future. Maybe it's just a Swedish government plot to make people from Southern Sweden take the train to ARN instead?
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Instead of taking the train to ARN you can easily go to Stickholm via MMX.
Anyway, quite sad to see this happening, even more amazed that Germany still doesn't see they have do to something effective to limit the illegal immigration and keep the real refugee stream organized.
Anyway, quite sad to see this happening, even more amazed that Germany still doesn't see they have do to something effective to limit the illegal immigration and keep the real refugee stream organized.
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Their hands are being forced. Make sure to vote for a political party at the next election that wants to prevent such problems before they reach a boiling point. I would hope/imagine Denmark to do something similar with trains to/from Germany?
The inconvenience to commuters does not outweigh the permanent damage to a country if these measures are not introduced.
It is somewhat promising Sweden was able to introduce this despite the otherwise apparent political gridlock in terms of improving and securing the country.
The inconvenience to commuters does not outweigh the permanent damage to a country if these measures are not introduced.
It is somewhat promising Sweden was able to introduce this despite the otherwise apparent political gridlock in terms of improving and securing the country.
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Their hands are being forced. Make sure to vote for a political party at the next election that wants to prevent such problems before they reach a boiling point. I would hope/imagine Denmark to do something similar with trains to/from Germany?
The inconvenience to commuters does not outweigh the permanent damage to a country if these measures are not introduced.
It is somewhat promising Sweden was able to introduce this despite the otherwise apparent political gridlock in terms of improving and securing the country.
The inconvenience to commuters does not outweigh the permanent damage to a country if these measures are not introduced.
It is somewhat promising Sweden was able to introduce this despite the otherwise apparent political gridlock in terms of improving and securing the country.
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I do not understand how this will work for people who commute from Copenhagen to the airport. Are they going to separate trains to Sweden and trains to Kastrup? Will the trains still stop between CPH and the Swedish border?
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The trains from Copenhagen to the airport will end in the airport, there will be a separate train from the airport to Sweden and back as far as I have read.
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So Swedish news media have announced that CPH train station will be closed from 27 December to the morning of the 29th. The reason is remodelling, to ensure compliance with a new Swedish law, taking effect on 4/1, which will requires train operators to perform ID checks on all passengers, and imposes a very substantial fine for any failure to do so.
State-owned Swedish SJ has already announced they are scrapping all services to Denmark. resundstg will continue, but with CPH as the terminus both out of Sweden and out of Helsingr via Copenhagen Central. So the CPH station will be the border checkpoint. The many thousands of daily train commuters between the Copenhagen and Malm region will have to change trains. This should be especially fun at rush hour, as frequencies will also be cut.
I'm personally very sad that it's ended up like this. I'm old enough to remember travelling from Sweden to CPH via bus and the Limhamn-Dragr ferry, or the SK non-hovering hovercraft, and the delight over them being replaced by a local and frequent train. I'm afraid I can now confidently predict pandemonium at CPH's train station for the foreseeable future. Maybe it's just a Swedish government plot to make people from Southern Sweden take the train to ARN instead?
State-owned Swedish SJ has already announced they are scrapping all services to Denmark. resundstg will continue, but with CPH as the terminus both out of Sweden and out of Helsingr via Copenhagen Central. So the CPH station will be the border checkpoint. The many thousands of daily train commuters between the Copenhagen and Malm region will have to change trains. This should be especially fun at rush hour, as frequencies will also be cut.
I'm personally very sad that it's ended up like this. I'm old enough to remember travelling from Sweden to CPH via bus and the Limhamn-Dragr ferry, or the SK non-hovering hovercraft, and the delight over them being replaced by a local and frequent train. I'm afraid I can now confidently predict pandemonium at CPH's train station for the foreseeable future. Maybe it's just a Swedish government plot to make people from Southern Sweden take the train to ARN instead?
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It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH. The train operator has apparently decided that it will be most convenient to conduct these ID checks at CPH rather than elsewhere on Sweden-bound trains that originate in CPH or pass through CPH.
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It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH.
Or do you think this procedure is odd for flights, too?
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So to take a train to Malme, I would have to show my national ID (or passport for non-EU nationals), but there would be no document check if I decide to take a flight to ARN
(Or they also introduced document check on flights to Sweden
- my last flight to ARN was on Dec 4 and there was no document check at the gate.)
(Or they also introduced document check on flights to Sweden
- my last flight to ARN was on Dec 4 and there was no document check at the gate.)
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So to take a train to Malme, I would have to show my national ID (or passport for non-EU nationals), but there would be no document check if I decide to take a flight to ARN
(Or they also introduced document check on flights to Sweden
- my last flight to ARN was on Dec 4 and there was no document check at the gate.)
(Or they also introduced document check on flights to Sweden
- my last flight to ARN was on Dec 4 and there was no document check at the gate.)Same for Germany. Had a flight MUC-ARN last week, not have been checked on ID anywhere a long the line.
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Perhaps I'm going to use MMX and other Swedish airports more as a result of the CPH hassle arising from the changed situation when using these train services across the Sound. KL may end up gaining a bit more too, at SK's expense.
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It seems odd to say that Swedish law is imposing requirement on the CPH train station, which is part of Denmark, not Sweden. Surely the law imposes requirements on only trains to (and from?) Sweden, with the ID checks occurring before or at the border (or even before the first stop where passengers are discharged in Sweden), and not necessarily at CPH. The train operator has apparently decided that it will be most convenient to conduct these ID checks at CPH rather than elsewhere on Sweden-bound trains that originate in CPH or pass through CPH.
They are also paying for a barrier to go up between Track 1 and Track 2 at CPH. This is to stop people from crossing the tracks in a way that would help some to circumvent the upcoming check process.

