Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic, and I agree entirely with you. The station is badly run at the best of time, with very poor information and signage � it must be an utter nightmare to visitors.

If the situation doesn't get resolved soon, who knows, maybe we'll get back the CPH-HMA service. Would be nice to have a drink and a snack in the lounge whilst you wait, instead of dealing with the landside chaos.

And the prices for the rail service are actually rising for many users of the cross-border train after the end of the year, as the Jojo discount is being cut in half.

Between the growing inconvenience to use CPH (in terms of schedule and packed trains and the CPH shuffle next year) and the rising cost to use CPH, a lot more people are going to have to adjust plans.

There is a subjective invisible line that we need to be aware of, which separates travel news from Omni territory. The subject of the thread certainly can disrupt a lot of FT readers, and some level of reasoning should be discussed. However, a more macro discussion of the refugee crisis and its collateral effects, are Omni board fodder.

Some postings have been redacted, which did not offer clear travel related benefits to readers. Let's please try and focus on FT member's tangible needs.

It really is different. The trains at CPH airport are a major part of a mass transit rail route, where ticketed PNRs aren't even generally relevant for the vast majority of passengers using CPH airport to get to Sweden by rail. I fly into CPH multiple times a month, and even most of my CPH-Sweden surface transport tickets don't have any ticketed PNR of relevance for the crossing. And so the ID/visa checks are a rather different dynamic when using the rail from CPH to Sweden than it is when flying from CPH to Sweden -- a flight route where I've flown most commonly with no ID checks whatsoever. Even last week, I could have flown from CPH to Sweden as "irish guy" or "irish gal" and no one would have made an issue of it on my trip.

Passport/ID checks for people coming off the rush-hour 6 train at Grand Central in NYC is a bit more akin to what is going to happen when using rail at CPH to get to Sweden than passport/ID checks when flying BA from CPH to the UK. First things first, agent-level accountability for the ID checks is harder to maintain when ticketed PNRs aren't part of the general picture for a route using packed commuter trains.

I read the thread but it's a bit unclear -- will there be changes for flights also? For example, if I'm flying IAD-CPH-ARN-TLL (not unlikely now that OV went bankrupt and SK's CPH-TLL flights aren't as frequent), then will there be more checks when flying the CPH-ARN leg?

That is not clear, the new temporary law only mentions buses, trains and passenger ships..

Run the following url through Google Translate if you don't understand swedish
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Dokument-.../201516/JuU24/

That's not correct

"Enligt den information som g�tt ut kommer inga t�g att stanna p� Kastrup n�tterna till den 28, 29 och 30 december. "

Source

"S�ndag den 27., mandag den 28. og tirsdag den 29. december mellem kl. 22.30 og kl. 4.20 standser togene ikke i K�benhavns Lufthavn."

Source

Trains will not stop at Kastrup between 10.30 p.m. and 4.20 a.m. on those days.

A colleague who has a flight arriving at CPH on the 28th checked with �resundst�gen, who confirmed this.

Most journalists are semi-literate at best these days, so it's no wonder that many media are reporting a three-day closure.

Johan

ID checks have been outsourced to Securitas.

Johan

I have a flight to CPH on the 4th. I could (and in hindsight should) have picked another date. Now I've just booked a cab all the way home, which should save me a lot of hassle, frustration and time.

I'm assuming that trains in the other direction will run more or less as normal (by Swedish and Danish third-world standards, that is). Should this prove not to be the case, a cab is only one phone call away.

The Swedish government has brought all this upon the country, so the poor commuters who voted for the parties responsible for this mess will just have to grin and bear it.

Johan

I would not bet on that, at least not for some time, as the train sets will be delayed in the opposite direction. Also, and probably worse, there'll be only one platform at CPH available for trains to and from Sweden, so there'll probably be a long queue of incoming trains in the tunnel.

I dount you would see a big difference on flights, *even* *if* the regulation is extended then. Most likely the airlines would check passports at the gate, like not a long time ago, perhaps investigating closer the passports of non EU travellers, which is a minority on connections like CPH-ARN. I am not too worried about this. I am more concerned that train traffic will be unreliable, and it will be less easy to reach Kastrup on ground. This can extend travel times, for those of us for whom CPH is the final airport. And as like some others have mentioned here, it can hit SK, if southern Sweden passengers will start avoiding CPH. Alternatively it can hit Denmark, and the CPH airport, if SK react, and move more traffic to GOT/ARN/MMX.

The airlines aren't under significant pressure to change how they do things on such flights. The hit is really going to come in the form of what happens when using the rail.

By the way, Swedish border police staffing has been sort of reduced for at least a bit of the holiday period, so train delays in the direction of Sweden are relatively worse than usual when controlling for passenger counts. By January 5th, it'll be interesting to see how messed up this is and how it hits people taking the train from CPH to Danish points along the Oresundstag route.

Securitas has a related contract but they don't have a legal right to access all ID-related info, if they have doubts about the ID. And the real problem with this outsourcing AND privatization of what should be a government function? The government can encourage denying admission to those even with a guaranteed legal admissibility without being held fully accountable for encouraging such denial of admission -- even to its own citizens.

Yes. It's quite tempting to travel to Denmark without any papers, and turn up at the Swedish embassy in Copenhagen and ask what they're going to do about it.

Securitas seems to be gearing up to scan and store passenger ID/passport info. This is going to be a goldmine for thieves.

The Swedish embassy in Copenhagen does provide the following services:

http://www.swedenabroad.com/en-GB/Em...ID-cards--sys/

but their hours and staffing are not all that great.

Pardon the question, I might have missed something. What happens at CPH on Jan 4th?

If your destination is Denmark, nothing. If your destination is Sweden, enough hassle to have you pining for the days of the Drag�r-Limhamn ferry.

Because consular matters concerning Swedes in Denmark had become pretty much a thing of the past. They could find themselves quite busy with stranded Swedes, all of a sudden, thanks to the new legislation.