New, "More Secure" US NextGen Passport
#616
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while I understand the desire for user fees, I believe government, in most cases, should not be charging fees for most services required documents that only government can provide and are already paid for by taxes. And any user fees, if imposed, should be nominal because if they end up coming anywhere near to approximating actual cost then many "customers" will be priced out of the only source of passports, or any other similar, government issued only document or service. In my mind, user fees like this are simply wrong.
I would not be surprised if USCIS is not the only DHS unit that does this on a regular basis - on top of the fact that probably for a significant number of USCIS "customers" the extra $85 is very meaningful.....
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The “security” cost aspect at State to try to justify these increased prices — under the “user fee” mentality — is rooted in averages. DHS probably does it much the same way.
#618
Join Date: Dec 2021
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I just renewed my passport at a consulate (locator number 71 showed up in the State Dept. system), and I seem to have gotten a strange "hybrid" passport back.
It's the NGP's cover, but the ePassport's biographical & visa pages. Hoping that this doesn't cause headaches at borders that are expecting one of the two document designs.
It's the NGP's cover, but the ePassport's biographical & visa pages. Hoping that this doesn't cause headaches at borders that are expecting one of the two document designs.
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I just renewed my passport at a consulate (locator number 71 showed up in the State Dept. system), and I seem to have gotten a strange "hybrid" passport back.
It's the NGP's cover, but the ePassport's biographical & visa pages. Hoping that this doesn't cause headaches at borders that are expecting one of the two document designs.
It's the NGP's cover, but the ePassport's biographical & visa pages. Hoping that this doesn't cause headaches at borders that are expecting one of the two document designs.
One of my own-2022-issued US passports was also a locator number 71 application and it is very much like its pre-“next generation passport” equivalent with the 52 page version and is just numbers for the passport number. I have not yet had any problem with it at any border crossings, and I wouldn’t expect it to be the source of any problem for me for at least the next few years. But I wouldn’t say it’s a “next generation passport”, because it isn’t.
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#621
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Boston
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Why will our photo in the Next Generation U.S. Passport be black & white, not color?
Currently, the photo in U.S. ePassport is color, but it will be black & white in the new upcoming Next Generation passport. I would think a color photo is more detailed and accurate than a black & white photo. Anybody know why they decided to go with a black & white photo? Currently, the Passport Card has a black & white photo.
#622
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Currently, the photo in U.S. ePassport is color, but it will be black & white in the new upcoming Next Generation passport. I would think a color photo is more detailed and accurate than a black & white photo. Anybody know why they decided to go with a black & white photo? Currently, the Passport Card has a black & white photo.
#624
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Currently, the photo in U.S. ePassport is color, but it will be black & white in the new upcoming Next Generation passport. I would think a color photo is more detailed and accurate than a black & white photo. Anybody know why they decided to go with a black & white photo? Currently, the Passport Card has a black & white photo.
#625
Join Date: Aug 2015
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The digital photo on the chip is in colour and that is what is used by facial recognition technology on borders. The photo on the bio page is only in B/W because a laser engraving technology is used to do it which does not allow for colour (the image is essentially made by controlled burning of the plastic).
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Even when the passport chips are unreadable, the passport still is considered by the USG to remain valid.
4-color laser engraving technology exists for passports and other polycarbonate photo ID docs to have color photos visible with the unaided eye, but how much more money do I want to pay for more "security"? Zero. Even the December 2021 increase in US passport fees is unwelcome by me. And the next generation US passport costs are already increasing in such a way that it's a matter of when and for how much more the next "user fee" increase hits because of this transition in passport book style.
4-color laser engraving technology exists for passports and other polycarbonate photo ID docs to have color photos visible with the unaided eye, but how much more money do I want to pay for more "security"? Zero. Even the December 2021 increase in US passport fees is unwelcome by me. And the next generation US passport costs are already increasing in such a way that it's a matter of when and for how much more the next "user fee" increase hits because of this transition in passport book style.
#627
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Even when the passport chips are unreadable, the passport still is considered by the USG to remain valid.
4-color laser engraving technology exists for passports and other polycarbonate photo ID docs to have color photos visible with the unaided eye, but how much more money do I want to pay for more "security"? Zero. Even the December 2021 increase in US passport fees is unwelcome by me. And the next generation US passport costs are already increasing in such a way that it's a matter of when and for how much more the next "user fee" increase hits because of this transition in passport book style.
4-color laser engraving technology exists for passports and other polycarbonate photo ID docs to have color photos visible with the unaided eye, but how much more money do I want to pay for more "security"? Zero. Even the December 2021 increase in US passport fees is unwelcome by me. And the next generation US passport costs are already increasing in such a way that it's a matter of when and for how much more the next "user fee" increase hits because of this transition in passport book style.
#628
Join Date: Feb 2018
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The pace of rollout of the nextgen passport is embarrassingly slow. And people have reported quality control issues with the back covering having issues with the page peeling off. After more than 6 years of development you would expect a smoother rollout and a better product. On top of all of this, DoS raised the cost of getting a passport and will probably raise prices yet again.
#629
Join Date: Jul 2015
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The pace of rollout of the nextgen passport is embarrassingly slow. And people have reported quality control issues with the back covering having issues with the page peeling off. After more than 6 years of development you would expect a smoother rollout and a better product. On top of all of this, DoS raised the cost of getting a passport and will probably raise prices yet again.
#630
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Currently, the photo in U.S. ePassport is color, but it will be black & white in the new upcoming Next Generation passport. I would think a color photo is more detailed and accurate than a black & white photo. Anybody know why they decided to go with a black & white photo? Currently, the Passport Card has a black & white photo.
At least, the picture and information on the NGP is burned onto a polycarbonate. I would rather have my information on a sturdy surface as opposed a cheapo laminate that can be peeled off or printed on something that can be washed away if exposed to water/excessive moisture. Granted, damaged outer covers or visa pages can render a passport useless.