overactive imagination? I think not
 

Posted today on ABC news site:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...at-the-border/

"Two unaccompanied children were flown from Nogales to California despite having 101-degree fevers and flu-like symptoms, according to the Department of Defense memo. Those children had to be hospitalized.
The memo said pointedly that officials in charge of moving the immigrants from Border Patrol processing centers to Health and Human Services facilities are “putting sick [fevers and coughing] unaccompanied children on airplanes inbound for [Naval Base Ventura County] in addition to the chicken pox and coxsackie virus cases.”

Now even the feds are getting worried.

I asked what I thought was a simple 11-word question. Your reply was non-responsive on at least two counts.


Well your first attempt didn't provide the example, so would you like to try again?


It is not "irrelevant" nor "moot" if the TSA is following its announced procedures. If a traveler does not have one of the approved IDs that TSA lists (and, to date, the I-862 is not one of them), then the traveler is supposed to be subjected to answering questions about himself.

From what we have heard, the TSA is using the same databases from which credit checks are performed in order to pose the questions to the traveler, which for many coming across the border without papers would be pretty much non-existent.

The issue then becomes whether the TSA can query the "USICS databases" to verify the identity of the traveler. I would suspect not due to Privacy Act considerations.

Children get sick. They are living in close quarters so flu and cold germs are easily spread. Happens in day cares and grade schools too. Bet it happens at the office where you work.

The illnesses are not necessarily associated with the country they were born in or how they arrived in the US.

A couple of examples from a very quick search:

http://www.balchfriends.org/glimpse/...ntroBkLaws.htm

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=1.20.130

You originally asserted, "I suspect there are other statutes on the books that use derogatory terms for other races, religions, etc. Would you use those terms because they are in statute?" To which I replied, "Would you care to provide specifics of such in the U.S.C. and then we can discuss."

I asked what I thought was a simple 16-word question. Your reply is non-responsive. Neither of your links refer to the U.S.C. and neither are to "statutes on the books". In fact, your former one is to laws passed over 150 years. Are you suggesting that these are still "statutes on the books"?

So your "couple of examples from a very quick search" aren't.

Are you kidding? the CDC takes any passenger coming into the U.S that has flu like symptoms very seriously and where they visited prior to entering the U.S.

The country or origin and how they arrived are part of the equation. Let it be by air, ground or water.....

Being dismissive because they're kids is really the wrong way to look at it.

I am not being dismissive. The poster I responded to has previously indicated they believe most, if not all, undocumented aliens, are in some way diseased. The article was that poster's proof. I was stating it is not proof.

You got me. I did say "statutes on the books" when I was referring to open, closed, deleted, expunged, removed, D all of the above, things that have been written using terms no longer considered appropriate when used in legal matters or in other matters.

Your defensive deflection does not negate the fact that the term "illegal alien" is offensive, and not technically accurate, and therefore should not be used.

The TSA are offensive and should not be used - yet they are!

Mmm. 2 children, eh? Must mean all of them are the same. Even the ones that flew and weren't ill. And after all, no children in the general population (or any other travellers) ever travel while ill. Wait, hang on.... :rolleyes:

I have neither the time, interest, nor inclination to search for specific instances of derogatory terms being used in the US Code. It is common knowledge that such instances exist and have existed, and the article I linked to provided an example of an effort to remove such references, even if it did not cite a specific example in the USC. If that is not good enough for you, the internet is a vast place, and I suspect with a little effort you will find what you are looking for.

The point is that "illegal alien" is considered by many - and almost the entirety of the undocumented community - to be a derogatory term. Its presence in the US Code does nothing to change that fact.

Have you ever been through a security checkpoint without approved ID? It is actually rather easy. It involves zero to limited questioning, with most of the focus being a pat-down and a full search of your carry-on. As for foreigners bringing up an empty credit record, this would apply to any foreigner - legally in the US or otherwise. So yes, the issue is indeed very much moot. An I-862 does not a security risk make.

Tons of people fly without ID all the time. People lose their wallets/have them stolen/etc. But when it's time to fly out, they may spend an hour or so filling out papers and getting extra screening.

TSA should remain focused on keeping weapons/explosives/incendiaries off of planes, *NOT* increased to include the duties of Border Patrol/Customs.

Yes, whereas if they had been admitted to the country legally, that would prevent them from getting sick.:rolleyes:

If the kids are sick, they most likely got sick here. Any sizable group of kids in close quarters is going to have some colds, sore throats and the like. Nothing to be alarmed about, but a lot of folks act like these kids are either gangsters or carrying Ebola. Possibly both. That's stupid, but it's a waste of time to argue with them. They believe what they want to believe, facts or no facts.

Folks,

We've edited or deleted nearly two dozen posts serving no purpose other than petty argumentativeness. Please stick to the topic at hand and leave the personalizing out of the discussion.

essxjay
TS/S moderator