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zombietooth Jul 11, 2014 12:17 pm

Whose
 
Whose?

Spiff Jul 11, 2014 12:21 pm

No one should ever have to show ID of any kind to a government employee as a condition of being a passenger on a commercial airline. :mad:

ND Sol Jul 11, 2014 12:34 pm

If "TSA is accepting the I-862 (Notice to Appear) as a form of identification and allowing illegal aliens to travel commercially", when will the TSA website be updated to note that this non-photo ID is acceptable? :D

CavePearl Jul 11, 2014 12:38 pm

And KNOWN frequent flyers, many of us vetted through state and federal background security checks - are still not considered safe enough to put on a plane without being scanned, probed, and interrogated.

I think I need the air-sickness bag.

susiesan Jul 11, 2014 12:39 pm

I'd be more concerned being on a flight with one of these illegal aliens who is infested with scabies or lice. I sure wouldn't want to sit next to them.

I'm surprised the commercial airlines are willing to risk infecting all of their other passengers and have their planes contaminated. Can we file a claim with the airline if we get sick after being on one of these illegal alien transport flights?

zombietooth Jul 11, 2014 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by susiesan (Post 23181577)
I'd be more concerned being on a flight with one of these illegal aliens who is infested with scabies or lice. I sure wouldn't want to sit next to them.

I'm surprised the commercial airlines are willing to risk infecting all of their other passengers and have their planes contaminated. Can we file a claim with the airline if we get sick after being on one of these illegal alien transport flights?

I hear you. Flying is unpleasant enough as it is.

I would also think that the FA unions would be seriously upset about this, especially since one of the aliens with TB was allowed to travel before being quarantined. They are getting repetitive exposure to groups of insufficiently health-screened aliens.

NoMoreFlying Jul 11, 2014 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 23181692)
I hear you. Flying is unpleasant enough as it is.

I would also think that the FA unions would be seriously upset about this, especially since one of the aliens with TB was allowed to travel before being quarantined. They are getting repetitive exposure to groups of insufficiently health-screened aliens.


Originally Posted by susiesan (Post 23181577)
I'd be more concerned being on a flight with one of these illegal aliens who is infested with scabies or lice. I sure wouldn't want to sit next to them.

I'm surprised the commercial airlines are willing to risk infecting all of their other passengers and have their planes contaminated. Can we file a claim with the airline if we get sick after being on one of these illegal alien transport flights?

These comments are sarcasm, right? You don't really believe this, do you?

GUWonder Jul 11, 2014 1:42 pm

If the thread title is true of what is being allowed, then that is great if it were it to get the government to back off the wasteful obsession over passenger photo ID and the government's "identity"-based passenger blacklists.

ID is not security.

Unfortunately, I doubt the government will stop wasting resources on passenger identity-based nonsense checks -- photo/boarding pass cross checks, passenger blacklists, PreCheck -- and reallocate those resources to interdiction of contraband WEI.

wildcatlh Jul 11, 2014 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by NoMoreFlying (Post 23181727)
These comments are sarcasm, right? You don't really believe this, do you?

Seemingly, "They're all diseased!" has overtaken "They took our jobs!" and "They're all criminals!" on the xenophobes' talking points.

Rickenbacker Jul 11, 2014 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by wildcatlh (Post 23181910)
Seemingly, "They're all diseased!" has overtaken "They took our jobs!" and "They're all criminals!" on the xenophobes' talking points.

x2.

"they're diseased" :rolleyes:

zombietooth Jul 11, 2014 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by wildcatlh (Post 23181910)
Seemingly, "They're all diseased!" has overtaken "They took our jobs!" and "They're all criminals!" on the xenophobes' talking points.

So anyone who disagrees with the current border enforcement policy is a "xenophobe"?

Faulty generalization is a logical fallacy. Brilliant!
Please note that no one here used the word "all", except for you.

84fiero Jul 11, 2014 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 23181494)
No one should ever have to show ID of any kind to a government employee as a condition of being a passenger on a commercial airline. :mad:

^ I'm not in any way fazed by this headline. We should all be allowed to fly on commercial flights without ID.

I_Can_Fly_US_Airways Jul 11, 2014 8:15 pm

Seriously...
 
You are actually surprised by this???

SeriouslyLost Jul 11, 2014 9:36 pm


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 23181472)
Security Theater of the Absurd at its finest:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...r-Patrol-Union

Has anyone pointed out to Breitbart :rolleyes: that an I862 covers lawful aliens as well? In most situations there's no way to tell what their status is from the form itself. Just that they're in the removal process. Or, in some cases, lawfully resident Cubans or Haitians who are adjusting status.

zombietooth Jul 11, 2014 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 23183533)
Has anyone pointed out to Breitbart :rolleyes: that an I862 covers lawful aliens as well? In most situations there's no way to tell what their status is from the form itself. Just that they're in the removal process. Or, in some cases, lawfully resident Cubans or Haitians who are adjusting status.

You're obviously missing the comedy here:

Why should American citizens be required to show photo ID to fly when unverifiable aliens, who could give any name and country of origin to CBP or even fake a blank form, can fly without absolutely no proof of who they are?

This case just shows the absurd futility of the TSA, the scanners, the no-fly list, etc., etc. It is all just wasted effort and we are NO safer for any of it.


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