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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by HMPS
Yes "they" will, as soon as they can figure out how to.......
It's been done but the only fatality was the bomber.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
If a terrorist could spend $2500 to slip a bomb past TSA they would be happy to.
If Al Qadea could spend Tens of Thousands of Dollars to Train Pilots to fly Aircraft into Buildings how much would it cost them to get somebody a job to load catering.

How many TSA Security ID checkers know what a Genuine Yemeni Passport looks like. Every day hundreds of Illegal Immigrants get into the EU through Land-borders with fake documents.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
That's where I have my doubts. I don't think it'd be possible to get it "placed right" inside a cat.

After all, there was the guy with the pound of HE in his rectum that didn't manage to kill the guy he was standing right next to... Abdullah Hassan al-Asiri.

The body seems to damp the effects rather well.
I never understood this obsession by the flying public and the TSA with potential bombs. If the only goal is to take down the plane why even bother getting on it? US airports are generally not protected in any way. You can get right next to runways at almost every major airport. It would be much easier to simply shoot a plane down then to try and sneak past a cat bomb or other such nonsense. Yet to this day no one has even attempted it in the US, and there have been very few attempts world wide. Why is that oh paranoid among us? If there is a terrorist hiding around every corner and in every cat carrier then why the lack of even attempts in the US?
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by VelvetJones
I never understood this obsession by the flying public and the TSA with potential bombs. If the only goal is to take down the plane why even bother getting on it? US airports are generally not protected in any way. You can get right next to runways at almost every major airport. It would be much easier to simply shoot a plane down then to try and sneak past a cat bomb or other such nonsense. Yet to this day no one has even attempted it in the US, and there have been very few attempts world wide. Why is that oh paranoid among us? If there is a terrorist hiding around every corner and in every cat carrier then why the lack of even attempts in the US?
Exactly. The entire notion is laughable, and might barely aerosolize the cat.

PHX in particular has parallel runways running east-west, and freeways running north-south at either end.

If someone really felt like it, it'd be absolutely trivial to take down an aircraft on takeoff or on landing with little more than a slingshot.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 10:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
A pregnant cat can deliver a pound of kittens. Thus a cat can hold a pound inside it. A pound of HE can bring down a plane if it's placed right.
I now have a mental image of someone on a plane standing up, lighting a fuse on a (soon to be protesting violently) cat and throwing it upstream...

It won't end well.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 10:31 pm
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Originally Posted by VelvetJones
If there is a terrorist hiding around every corner and in every cat carrier then why the lack of even attempts in the US?
Sshhhhh! You're letting thinking get in the way! Don't let the fear stop the controlling...
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
If a terrorist could spend $2500 to slip a bomb past TSA they would be happy to.
how many terrorists has TSA caught? None, of course, but thanks for buying into TSA's tripe.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 5:54 am
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
If a terrorist could spend $2500 to slip a bomb past TSA they would be happy to.
The going rate appears to be in the low hundreds, based on the TSA "employees" busted for smuggling over the past couple of years.

The simple fact that it hasn't happened is good evidence that there aren't any "terrorists" attempting it.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by ozcaz
Hi All

I just wanted to share what happened to my niece.

My niece got married to an American at the beginning of October. We are Australians. She was moving to Houston and of course was taking her baby (Chinchilla Cat) with her.

They flew from Brisbane into LAX and collected her little fluff ball. Then had to go back through security to catch her flight to Houston.

She gets to the screeners and said to them i have never travelled with a animal before. She was screened then had to get her baby and go through the scanner. And now the funny part. Her baby was padded down and swiped for explosives!!! Are you serious!!!! She just paid $2500 to fly her baby to the good old USA why the hell would she blow her baby up!

She said the TSA agents were very nice but OMG. Talk about paranoia.
Caz, I agree with you that we are unnecessarily paranoid in this country. Americans seem to believe that al Quaeda is a vast international organization with a military-like command structure starting at Osama Bin Laden, or whomever took over for him after his untimely (read: took far too long) death, and going down like a pyramid through many levels of generals, majors, and lieutenants to the average grunt with an AK-47 and a shemagh wrapped around their head. They view it like Kaos, Spectre, Thrush, and Cobra - ruthless terrorist organizations from popular fiction which are all more cartoon caricatures than reality.

I also agree that patting down the cat was overkill.

Swiping the carrier for an ETD test was not. The carrier itself could easily be used to conceal a pretty large amount of explosive.

Then again, I and many on FT have also exhibited some paranoia of our own - we suspect that the ETD tests done at airports are not just testing for explosives, but are also testing for drug residue (without the knowledge of the TSOs who are operating the machine). Thus, a positive results in a full pat down of the person and a minute hand inspection of all of their belongings, ostensibly to search for explosives, but of course the real reason behind it is to find smuggled drugs. And yes, the idea of drug smugglers using a cat carrier to bring in illicit material is way less ludicrous than the idea of a terrorist using a cat carrier to bring a bomb onto a plane.

All of that being said, I also need to point out that you're talking about a cat, not a human child, so continuously calling it a "baby" is misleading and somewhat disturbing.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 9:10 am
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Caz, I agree with you that we are unnecessarily paranoid in this country. Americans seem to believe that al Quaeda is a vast international organization with a military-like command structure starting at Osama Bin Laden, or whomever took over for him after his untimely (read: took far too long) death, and going down like a pyramid through many levels of generals, majors, and lieutenants.....


I don't know. It's 12 years down the road from 9/11 after 2 protracted, expensive, and unnecessary wars and all the hype and propaganda and profiteering I think most people realize the doomcriers are full of beans. But a lot of the doomcriers, DHS, TSA, CIA, NSA and all the other alphabet-soup groups that ballooned after 9/11 and usurped our liberties have a lot of power and a lot of sway over the media. They're stuck in 2001. There's nothing harder than clipping your own wings.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost
I now have a mental image of someone on a plane standing up, lighting a fuse on a (soon to be protesting violently) cat and throwing it upstream...

It won't end well.
Coming to an airport near you - The War On Cats (TWOC).
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Old Dec 29, 2013 | 9:38 pm
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we suspect that the ETD tests done at airports are not just testing for explosives, but are also testing for drug residue
Yep. My carry-on was swiped and came back positive. The agent asked, and I replied that I had just taken my blood pressure medication. He said, "Yep, this was it."

A little OT, but, years ago - before 9/11, I did weapons testing for the US government and sometimes had to run to the airport to make my return flight. Often, I was covered with explosives residue (as were my cases carrying testing equipment). Today, I guess I would be branded a terrorist.
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 12:07 pm
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I always find it very rich when an Australian refers to the USA as the land of the paranoid or the LOTFAP...

This is coming from people that live in a nanny state as well. They are the only other country besides the USA that requires foreign airports do secondary at-gate screening to make sure no liquids are brought on board aircraft. And now they have joined the Nude-o-Scope club. Add to that ridiculous amounts of safety reminders, plethora of red light and speed cameras, drug dogs at clubs, pubs, etc.
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by relangford
Yep. My carry-on was swiped and came back positive. The agent asked, and I replied that I had just taken my blood pressure medication. He said, "Yep, this was it."
I carry a small vial of glycerin-based hand lotion in my Freedom Bag so I can blame any false positive on it.
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 12:51 pm
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Reminds me , a few years ago my carry on back pack tested positive for explosives at an airport.

Everything was searched inside out. Turns out I had the same back pack at an outdoor July 4 firewirks display.
Mystery solved !
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