TSA to open PreCheck to all for a fee
Jul 20, 2013, 10:13 am
#31
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Here is the PR:
http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/20...tsa-precheck-0
Frankly it is BS. I have Pre✓™ via the airline. The TSA Pre✓™ application program requires a background check and fingerprints. Yeah, the airline has a bunch of the same info for a background check. But I sure as !@#$ did not have to give them fingerprints.
http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/20...tsa-precheck-0
Frankly it is BS. I have Pre✓™ via the airline. The TSA Pre✓™ application program requires a background check and fingerprints. Yeah, the airline has a bunch of the same info for a background check. But I sure as !@#$ did not have to give them fingerprints.
Jul 20, 2013, 10:17 am
#32
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Jul 20, 2013, 10:23 am
#33
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Selfishly this can't help those that are Pre eligible now in that you'll have more passengers using the lines, many with little checkpoint savvy/experience.
Jul 20, 2013, 10:31 am
#34
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It absolutely does not make financial or security expense for someone to pay through TSA to get PreCheck when GE would give so much more (expedited DHS screening from International destinations) for $15 more dollars.
If Mr. Pistole wants up to 25% of passengers using the service, then it should be expanded to more locations. For example Pre Check at LGA's Central Terminal is in Concourse D, but not A or C.
If Mr. Pistole wants up to 25% of passengers using the service, then it should be expanded to more locations. For example Pre Check at LGA's Central Terminal is in Concourse D, but not A or C.
Jul 20, 2013, 10:46 am
#35
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It absolutely does not make financial or security expense for someone to pay through TSA to get PreCheck when GE would give so much more (expedited DHS screening from International destinations) for $15 more dollars.
If Mr. Pistole wants up to 25% of passengers using the service, then it should be expanded to more locations. For example Pre Check at LGA's Central Terminal is in Concourse D, but not A or C.
If Mr. Pistole wants up to 25% of passengers using the service, then it should be expanded to more locations. For example Pre Check at LGA's Central Terminal is in Concourse D, but not A or C.
I don't foresee the average domestic flyer laying out the money for this, especially families where there are multiple travelers. Just not worth it for the few annual trips they make. It might capture a wider net of the business traveler who don't hold passports or don't want to bother with Global Entry.
Jul 20, 2013, 10:48 am
#36
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I have yet to see anything close to a line at the IAD pre check - it's walk up, present BP, proceed to conveyor belt, drop bags, walk through WMD, grab bags, and I'm off. You could probably triple the number of people with pre check, and it wouldn't cause appreciable crowding.
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Jul 20, 2013, 10:52 am
#37
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Yesterday at CLT the Precheck line was quite long, because it was full of people who thought it was the F/elite line or whose BP didn't display the new-ish Precheck logo. I'd say about 10% of the line actually had Precheck. So this needs to be managed a lot better, at least at CLT.
I'm much less afraid of the kettles as I am Southwest getting into the program. Then the line gets long......
Jul 20, 2013, 11:00 am
#38
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I have yet to see anything close to a line at the IAD pre check - it's walk up, present BP, proceed to conveyor belt, drop bags, walk through WMD, grab bags, and I'm off. You could probably triple the number of people with pre check, and it wouldn't cause appreciable crowding.
I agree this program will not likely have a big impact though, as most of the people willing to pay for it already have it.
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Jul 20, 2013, 11:03 am
#39
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It does make sense - while more Americans hold passports now than at any time in the past (+/- 33%, according to the Bureau of Consular Affairs in January), the majority of Americans (+/- 60%) still do not have passports. This program offers them a way to take advantage of expedited security screening without Global Entry. If one holds a US passport then for certain it is better to sign up via Global Entry.
I don't foresee the average domestic flyer laying out the money for this, especially families where there are multiple travelers. Just not worth it for the few annual trips they make. It might capture a wider net of the business traveler who don't hold passports or don't want to bother with Global Entry.
I don't foresee the average domestic flyer laying out the money for this, especially families where there are multiple travelers. Just not worth it for the few annual trips they make. It might capture a wider net of the business traveler who don't hold passports or don't want to bother with Global Entry.
Jul 20, 2013, 11:14 am
#40
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Location: USA
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It absolutely does not make financial or security expense for someone to pay through TSA to get PreCheck when GE would give so much more (expedited DHS screening from International destinations) for $15 more dollars.
If Mr. Pistole wants up to 25% of passengers using the service, then it should be expanded to more locations. For example Pre Check at LGA's Central Terminal is in Concourse D, but not A or C.
If Mr. Pistole wants up to 25% of passengers using the service, then it should be expanded to more locations. For example Pre Check at LGA's Central Terminal is in Concourse D, but not A or C.
Jul 20, 2013, 11:35 am
#41
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I have not read all these posts, but I am so upset with this whole thing. I have GE but mostly travel domestically and have gleefully enjoyed (more than is healthy!) �� being the ONLY one in the domestic security line. Now that they're opening this up to everyone, doesn't it make sense that now everyone will be in the Precheck line? So there goes our domestic zoom through security advantage.
Jul 20, 2013, 11:44 am
#42
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I have not read all these posts, but I am so upset with this whole thing. I have GE but mostly travel domestically and have gleefully enjoyed (more than is healthy!) �� being the ONLY one in the domestic security line. Now that they're opening this up to everyone, doesn't it make sense that now everyone will be in the Precheck line? So there goes our domestic zoom through security advantage.
As Eliza Doolittle sang, Wouldn't it be loverly?
Jul 20, 2013, 11:45 am
#43
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If you're worried that they're doing the bureaucratic equivalent of opening the velvet rope to all travelers, I hope this puts your mind at ease!
Jul 20, 2013, 11:48 am
#44
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Casual flyers are already thrifty enough, choosing the cheapest seats they can find. How many of them will really be willing to pony up the $85, go through the process with the interview six to twelve weeks out and meet all of the requirements? Most of them don't even like paying for bags (not that anyone does), but to charge them more for pre-screening a few times a year or once in a blue moon isn't really enticing to spend the money. They would rather put that down the slot machine in their "once-in-a-lifetime" vacation to Las Vegas.
Jul 20, 2013, 12:29 pm
#45
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It won't be the same process, because it won't involve CBP, but simply TSA. It will by necessity be less intrusive, because they won't have to take into account the possibility that you might sneak something through customs, but simply whether you're a threat to safety. That's a much smaller percentage of people.
As a concrete example, my partner and I were quickly approved for Clear but both denied Global Entry. Still can't figure out why, as neither of us has ever had the slightest run-in with the law or CBP, but that's covered in another thread. I fly maybe 20 times a year, but I loathe security lines and will gladly pony up the $85.
As a concrete example, my partner and I were quickly approved for Clear but both denied Global Entry. Still can't figure out why, as neither of us has ever had the slightest run-in with the law or CBP, but that's covered in another thread. I fly maybe 20 times a year, but I loathe security lines and will gladly pony up the $85.
The FF criterion for precheck is based on the assumption that if you travel a lot you aren't a bad guy. Absent meeting that assumption, the qualification proposed is background check and fingerprinting. I have GE and that was my drill.
Your assertion that TSA is less intrusive made me laugh.