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(Yes, I know about one BB incident, but even the DHS must discount that as a credible airline threat. The BB would have to moon the window to be effective, and that would require an empty middle seat to pull off, and those are very rare nowadays.)
Doh! You just let the cat out of the bag. Similar to when I let the terrorists know that a bomb could be made to look like a Snickers bar.Originally Posted by TheRoadie
Probably because TSA is always fighting the PREVIOUS war, and there haven't been any armpit, foot sole, or butthole bombers. This may change. (Yes, I know about one BB incident, but even the DHS must discount that as a credible airline threat. The BB would have to moon the window to be effective, and that would require an empty middle seat to pull off, and those are very rare nowadays.)
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I did. No sweat.Originally Posted by JoeBas
So OP, did you travel today? How many probes did you endure?
This was at AUS.
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(Yes, I know about one BB incident, but even the DHS must discount that as a credible airline threat. The BB would have to moon the window to be effective, and that would require an empty middle seat to pull off, and those are very rare nowadays.)
I wonder if this point could have been made more delicately. Originally Posted by TheRoadie
Probably because TSA is always fighting the PREVIOUS war, and there haven't been any armpit, foot sole, or butthole bombers. This may change. (Yes, I know about one BB incident, but even the DHS must discount that as a credible airline threat. The BB would have to moon the window to be effective, and that would require an empty middle seat to pull off, and those are very rare nowadays.)

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I relish the opportunity to explain to corporate IT that my laptop was stolen by CBP. Our laptops are whole-disk encrypted and automatically backed up, so I won't really lose anything and will get a replacement as soon as I get to a site. (A colleague accidentally ran over his laptop with a car and was given no hassle, just a new laptop with the old but still running hard drive.) While company policy encourages us to "cooperate" with border patrol in any country, I have no qualms about refusing to give up the password to the US CBP and letting the company lawyers sort it out. The company has a history of claiming that individual design documents are worth billions of dollars, so if CBP did break through the encryption, there might be some fun press.Originally Posted by jphripjah
Yeah, it was the CBP threat to confiscate my business iphone that got me cooperating pretty quickly. I really didn't want to have to explain to my boss and IT department that my phone had been confiscated for refusing to answer questions from CBP officers.
What scares me is them confiscating my camera memory cards or personal cell phone. Usually when traveling I have no realistic way to upload gigabytes of photos. I have occasionally taken to putting reduced-size copies of the photos on an SD card that I keep separate and in a location away from other electronics. And losing my cell phone would just be a nightmare. Are there even pay phones in airports any more? And do I really know or have written down the phone numbers I need? Could I buy a prepaid phone in a terminal? (guess I should look into that)
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I think there's even more to it than that. During the extensive bag search after my rpd at PDX, I started trying to root cause the source of the original alarm, and the STSO agreed to ETD a bar of hotel soap in my rollaboard at my request. Before doing so, he *loudly* announced to the other TSOs in the room that this test did not "count." Presumably, if it had "counted" and been "positive," something even more offensive would have happened to me or my stuff. As it was, the test was negative.
Ah, thank you for that clarification.Originally Posted by studentff
Incorrect in a subtle but significant way. As written, it suggests that repeating the ETD test and getting a negative will prevent the rpd. As implemented, once they get *any* positive ETD after touching your body/stuff, they insist on performing an rpd, even if they believe the machine is broken.I think there's even more to it than that. During the extensive bag search after my rpd at PDX, I started trying to root cause the source of the original alarm, and the STSO agreed to ETD a bar of hotel soap in my rollaboard at my request. Before doing so, he *loudly* announced to the other TSOs in the room that this test did not "count." Presumably, if it had "counted" and been "positive," something even more offensive would have happened to me or my stuff. As it was, the test was negative.
So, what's the current process? If they test and get a positive, what's the next step? Test again? Control test, then test again? Go right to rpd?
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I'm fairly positive the next step is rpd, no exceptions. (specifically referring to a positive test on gloves after an opt-out)Originally Posted by sbagdon
If they test and get a positive, what's the next step? Test again? Control test, then test again? Go right to rpd?
I have heard, but not experienced, that if you ask them to test the gloves prior to the patdown and the gloves alarm, that they will change them without penalizing you. (which should be blatantly obvious, but this is TSA we're talking about)
I rather unsure of policy about alarms on objects or devices. In this midst of my rpd-related bag search, my laptop allegedly alarmed for nitrates, and their response was to go x-ray it again.
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Then I was asked to go in for a private screening. I was told that the two men would essentially recheck my groin area in this room.
Wasn't interested. I countered that I'd be happy to have them recheck me with a working explosives detector or submit to additional screening in public. Cops were called, reports were filed, I was escorted out.
Any idea what happens next? I do need to travel tomorrow.
take your pants off next time, out in public like the guy in Oregon.Originally Posted by Mikey likes it
Opted out today as always. Pat down uneventful until the explosives detector machine alarmed. Twice. It appeared that it was malfunctioning as they took the machine out of service after this happened.Then I was asked to go in for a private screening. I was told that the two men would essentially recheck my groin area in this room.
Wasn't interested. I countered that I'd be happy to have them recheck me with a working explosives detector or submit to additional screening in public. Cops were called, reports were filed, I was escorted out.
Any idea what happens next? I do need to travel tomorrow.
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At the end of the incident, the officers were typing up notes for my electronic file. One of the officers gleefully informed me that I would know be red flagged and thus likely to be selected a lot for secondary inspection in the future because of my history of being "uncooperative."
Anyone ever been red flagged by CBP like this and what should I expect on future re-entries? Automatic secondary inspections for life or if I feel like cooperating in the future could secondaries be avoided?
Feel like filing a lawsuit? Sounds to me like they are punishing you for exercising your 5th Amendment rights.Originally Posted by jphripjah
So as I mentioned in another thread, I refused to answer some questions from CBP while re-entering the country by air, and ended up with a secondary inspection, two hour detention, bag search finding nothing, interrogation, etc.At the end of the incident, the officers were typing up notes for my electronic file. One of the officers gleefully informed me that I would know be red flagged and thus likely to be selected a lot for secondary inspection in the future because of my history of being "uncooperative."
Anyone ever been red flagged by CBP like this and what should I expect on future re-entries? Automatic secondary inspections for life or if I feel like cooperating in the future could secondaries be avoided?
The other possibility... they knew what you were doing was legal, no red flags, and they just wanted to f%@ with you.
In either case, it might be a good idea to apply for Global Entry to find out either way. If they deny you, then you have more evidence of retaliation. If you get GE, then you never have to answer questions from CBP when you enter the country.
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Is it possible that they are taking stats? It would be nice if someone is recording false positives. Originally Posted by studentff
I think there's even more to it than that. During the extensive bag search after my rpd at PDX, I started trying to root cause the source of the original alarm, and the STSO agreed to ETD a bar of hotel soap in my rollaboard at my request. Before doing so, he *loudly* announced to the other TSOs in the room that this test did not "count." Presumably, if it had "counted" and been "positive," something even more offensive would have happened to me or my stuff. As it was, the test was negative.

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The TSA recording stats that demonstrate how ineffective they really are? It'd be nice, but they'll never be released after being declared "SSI" along with all of the other ridiculously useless things the TSA does.Originally Posted by janetdoe
Is it possible that they are taking stats? It would be nice if someone is recording false positives.
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False. You normally don't, but not "never". The program is very clear about that.Originally Posted by janetdoe
If you get GE, then you never have to answer questions from CBP when you enter the country.
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They reported the start and end of the RPD to some management over a radio. So I think they are counting "false positives" indirectly in the sense that every RPD is a false alarm for all practical purposes.Originally Posted by janetdoe
Is it possible that they are taking stats? It would be nice if someone is recording false positives.
To my knowledge, they never took any of my personal information. If they did, they were very subtle about reading/memorizing the info and reporting it after I was gone.
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Or spend a little bit of time in a stall in the restroom to retrieve the explosives. Get a bunch of women to do it and they can all go to the restroom at the same time without arousing suspicion. You could end up with a buttload of explosives that way.Originally Posted by TheRoadie
The BB would have to moon the window to be effective
What's an RPD?
I almost always get sent to secondary inspection as I always refuse to use MMWs. But I've never been ordered to a private room. Then again I've never set off a positive alert on the bomb detector.
I am not sure how I would handle OP situation as most of my international trips are tightly scheduled for essential business meetings where missing the flight is not an option. I think I would ask for LEO and if that was denied I would ask them exactly where they intend to search. And then threaten to drop trow in public if that was the area of interest. My fallback would be MMW. I don't think TSA has the right to do body cavity searches on a whim.
I almost always get sent to secondary inspection as I always refuse to use MMWs. But I've never been ordered to a private room. Then again I've never set off a positive alert on the bomb detector.
I am not sure how I would handle OP situation as most of my international trips are tightly scheduled for essential business meetings where missing the flight is not an option. I think I would ask for LEO and if that was denied I would ask them exactly where they intend to search. And then threaten to drop trow in public if that was the area of interest. My fallback would be MMW. I don't think TSA has the right to do body cavity searches on a whim.
Wipe that phone clean
http://osxdaily.com/2012/06/05/remot...phone-or-ipad/
You can remotely wipe your Iphone clean, complete factory reset. All you need is an internet connection.
They say this also works with a laptop but I wouldn't be so sure since hard drives can be recovered even after being deleted.
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Here is a method that works on Iphone 4 and higher:Originally Posted by jphripjah
Yeah, it was the CBP threat to confiscate my business iphone that got me cooperating pretty quickly. I really didn't want to have to explain to my boss and IT department that my phone had been confiscated for refusing to answer questions from CBP officers.
http://osxdaily.com/2012/06/05/remot...phone-or-ipad/
You can remotely wipe your Iphone clean, complete factory reset. All you need is an internet connection.
They say this also works with a laptop but I wouldn't be so sure since hard drives can be recovered even after being deleted.
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I almost always get sent to secondary inspection as I always refuse to use MMWs. But I've never been ordered to a private room. Then again I've never set off a positive alert on the bomb detector.
RPD = Resolution Patdown = what happens if you get a positive alert on the ETD ("bomb detector")Originally Posted by Boraxo
What's an RPD?I almost always get sent to secondary inspection as I always refuse to use MMWs. But I've never been ordered to a private room. Then again I've never set off a positive alert on the bomb detector.
Essentially, they force you to go into a private room and repeat the same opt-down patdown that you are familiar with, except that they use the palm of their hand on your crotch and butt instead of the back of their hands.









