$1B of Nude Body Scanners Made Worthless — How Anyone Can Get Anything Past TSA NoS
Mar 9, 2012, 10:14 pm
#91
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Just an occasional passing mention...
...TSA Blog - http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/03/viral-vi...-scanners.html (the comments are great
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--Jon
...TSA Blog - http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/03/viral-vi...-scanners.html (the comments are great
)--Jon
Mar 10, 2012, 9:04 am
#92
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It is on Chris Elliott's site now:
http://www.elliott.org/blog/how-many...can-we-afford/
http://www.elliott.org/blog/how-many...can-we-afford/
Mar 11, 2012, 12:34 pm
#93
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Mar 12, 2012, 9:34 am
#95
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As I see it, I can now put a small pocket in my shirt at the side and carry a thin holder for my cash, CC's and ID's and it will be detected on neither the scanner nor the WTMD, and thus away from the grubby hands of the TSO's. The only risk is the random pat down, which is a risk anyway as they go through your stuff in detail.
Mar 12, 2012, 10:12 am
#96
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As I see it, I can now put a small pocket in my shirt at the side and carry a thin holder for my cash, CC's and ID's and it will be detected on neither the scanner nor the WTMD, and thus away from the grubby hands of the TSO's. The only risk is the random pat down, which is a risk anyway as they go through your stuff in detail.
Some company specializing in travel and adventure wear should start making garments with these sort of pockets sewn onto the inner side seams. I wish I owned or held stock in that company.
Last edited by loops; Mar 12, 2012 at 11:16 am Reason: clarification...
Mar 12, 2012, 10:55 am
#97
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Has anybody tried replicating this method of getting something through the scanners? I'm just curious what the TSA could do if they caught you, as long as the item being carried isn't prohibited. I know they can do a thorough bag seach and pat down, but as long as someone has enough time before their flight that shouldn't be an issue. I don't think they can claim artful concealment if the item is on your side. I also don't think they could go for interfering with the screening process either.
Mar 12, 2012, 2:15 pm
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An internal pocket, hidden from view and accessible only by the wearer of the garment, is also much safer from pick-pockets! Great idea! Practical AND Safe.
Some company specializing in travel and adventure wear should start making garments with these sort of pockets sewn onto the inner side seams. I wish I owned or held stock in that company.
Some company specializing in travel and adventure wear should start making garments with these sort of pockets sewn onto the inner side seams. I wish I owned or held stock in that company.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...hefts-mia.html
Mar 12, 2012, 4:51 pm
#99
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Works well if you're a thieving screener, too...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...hefts-mia.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...hefts-mia.html
Yeah, I thought of that too... I suppose the TSA employees have known about about this weak layer in the screening process for some time and knew that if they themselves were to ever be subjected to any random screening at the checkpoint during their "work" shift that they'd be able to get the contraband i-pads through the AITs without an issue.
Mar 12, 2012, 9:26 pm
#100
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Has anybody tried replicating this method of getting something through the scanners? I'm just curious what the TSA could do if they caught you, as long as the item being carried isn't prohibited. I know they can do a thorough bag seach and pat down, but as long as someone has enough time before their flight that shouldn't be an issue. I don't think they can claim artful concealment if the item is on your side. I also don't think they could go for interfering with the screening process either.
Play your cards right and end up in a Kangaroo Administrative Court.
Mar 20, 2012, 9:16 pm
#101
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Mr. Corbett's fantasy video is nothing more or less than a complete falsehood. Now while the anti-TSA crowd are more than willing to accept this video at face value despite its complete lack of support, I am not.
The commentary that Mr. Corbett provides is the only proof offered that he actually either went through a WBI system or that he got through with the items he claims. That’s it. No actual video of his passing through the WBI, no proof that he was carrying anything even if he did, and no proof that if he actually was carrying something as claimed that it was not caught and examined by the TSO’s. No “beef” what-so-ever.
IOW, its smoke and mirrors, all of it. But, he did get something out of it. Thousands of hits to his web site, his name in most major newspapers, and of course the 30 to 40 people who actually are willing to try and test his theories into a much different situation than he promised. Which of course will also be TSA’s fault, since they can do nothing right. [/sarcasm]
The commentary that Mr. Corbett provides is the only proof offered that he actually either went through a WBI system or that he got through with the items he claims. That’s it. No actual video of his passing through the WBI, no proof that he was carrying anything even if he did, and no proof that if he actually was carrying something as claimed that it was not caught and examined by the TSO’s. No “beef” what-so-ever.
IOW, its smoke and mirrors, all of it. But, he did get something out of it. Thousands of hits to his web site, his name in most major newspapers, and of course the 30 to 40 people who actually are willing to try and test his theories into a much different situation than he promised. Which of course will also be TSA’s fault, since they can do nothing right. [/sarcasm]
Mar 20, 2012, 11:30 pm
#102
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Mr. Corbett is an intelligent fellow, and industrious. He's had a year and a half to come up with a lie, if that was his intention. Given the nature of TSA's oblique non-addressing of his results through the scanner, given the subsequent increase in rubdowns of those who go through the scanner, the evidence is in Corbett's favor.
Clearly, there are known issues with those machines otherwise TSA would not randomly feel people up who just came through them. Corbett's probably just revealed *one* of their blind spots.
Mar 21, 2012, 5:28 am
#103
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Mr. Corbett's fantasy video is nothing more or less than a complete falsehood. Now while the anti-TSA crowd are more than willing to accept this video at face value despite its complete lack of support, I am not.
The commentary that Mr. Corbett provides is the only proof offered that he actually either went through a WBI system or that he got through with the items he claims. That’s it. No actual video of his passing through the WBI, no proof that he was carrying anything even if he did, and no proof that if he actually was carrying something as claimed that it was not caught and examined by the TSO’s. No “beef” what-so-ever.
IOW, its smoke and mirrors, all of it. But, he did get something out of it. Thousands of hits to his web site, his name in most major newspapers, and of course the 30 to 40 people who actually are willing to try and test his theories into a much different situation than he promised. Which of course will also be TSA’s fault, since they can do nothing right. [/sarcasm]
The commentary that Mr. Corbett provides is the only proof offered that he actually either went through a WBI system or that he got through with the items he claims. That’s it. No actual video of his passing through the WBI, no proof that he was carrying anything even if he did, and no proof that if he actually was carrying something as claimed that it was not caught and examined by the TSO’s. No “beef” what-so-ever.
IOW, its smoke and mirrors, all of it. But, he did get something out of it. Thousands of hits to his web site, his name in most major newspapers, and of course the 30 to 40 people who actually are willing to try and test his theories into a much different situation than he promised. Which of course will also be TSA’s fault, since they can do nothing right. [/sarcasm]
If what you wrote is true and accurate, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts about why your agency went to such great lengths to discredit him rather than make a strong statement as you are individually making?
If nothing else, a quick check of airline data bases, that you people have access to, would show that he had purchased tickets and downloaded boarding passes. There most surely is a checkpoint video which would or would not show him going through the checkpoint. The TSA releases checkpoint video when it serves their purpose. In this case, the silence is deafening.
Finally, why do you think Blogdad Bob with guidance from Kristin Lee, added Puppy Posts pretty quickly in order to push this story off the blog front page?
Also, if this was such an affront to the TSA, why didn't they simply fine him? Why didn't the DHS raid his home as they did the guy who was printing altered boarding passes at home?
Mar 21, 2012, 5:59 am
#104
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Mr. Corbett's fantasy video is nothing more or less than a complete falsehood. Now while the anti-TSA crowd are more than willing to accept this video at face value despite its complete lack of support, I am not.
The commentary that Mr. Corbett provides is the only proof offered that he actually either went through a WBI system or that he got through with the items he claims. That’s it. No actual video of his passing through the WBI, no proof that he was carrying anything even if he did, and no proof that if he actually was carrying something as claimed that it was not caught and examined by the TSO’s. No “beef” what-so-ever.
IOW, its smoke and mirrors, all of it. But, he did get something out of it. Thousands of hits to his web site, his name in most major newspapers, and of course the 30 to 40 people who actually are willing to try and test his theories into a much different situation than he promised. Which of course will also be TSA’s fault, since they can do nothing right. [/sarcasm]
The commentary that Mr. Corbett provides is the only proof offered that he actually either went through a WBI system or that he got through with the items he claims. That’s it. No actual video of his passing through the WBI, no proof that he was carrying anything even if he did, and no proof that if he actually was carrying something as claimed that it was not caught and examined by the TSO’s. No “beef” what-so-ever.
IOW, its smoke and mirrors, all of it. But, he did get something out of it. Thousands of hits to his web site, his name in most major newspapers, and of course the 30 to 40 people who actually are willing to try and test his theories into a much different situation than he promised. Which of course will also be TSA’s fault, since they can do nothing right. [/sarcasm]
Personally, I believe Corbett's assertion, but I really would like to see this done again with a clear, unbroken video shot by people standing both inside and outside the c/p, of the whole thing.
Mar 21, 2012, 6:13 am
#105
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Yeah, Ron and the DHS employee who took a handgun thru the scanners at DTW multiple times without detection was a liar, also, right?
Of course, this was before the magic , infallible Gumby software.
Once again, TSA is a threat to our security, unable to admit to vulnerabilities and thus unable to fix them. (Assuming TSA does in fact add anything to our security ----- there is less proof of this than of Mr. Corbett's assertions)
Of course, this was before the magic , infallible Gumby software.
Once again, TSA is a threat to our security, unable to admit to vulnerabilities and thus unable to fix them. (Assuming TSA does in fact add anything to our security ----- there is less proof of this than of Mr. Corbett's assertions)