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boycruz Aug 17, 2011 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944723)
I am very confused. You do not want to be hydrated on a plane. I had six or so sodas in those little glasses on an airplane, and I ended up going to the bathroom on the plane each time right after I had the soda. Why do you want to stay hydrated?

Wow I thought I had heard it all:confused::confused:
How bout when you board (30 min) then
push/ taxi ( 30 minutes if lucky)
takeoff and cruising altitude ( 30 min)

90 min since you filled water bottle
and you are thirsty

Google staying hydrated on a airplane ~ ~@:-)

Jupiter's Ally Aug 17, 2011 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 16944025)
I can think of two liquids that could be carried by different passengers and when dumped into the bucket together would create a pretty unpleasant situation. Not an explosion, just a lot of nasty fumes.

The more practical approach is to take used motor oil in a large obvious container and "voluntarily surrender" it to the TSA. Saves the effort figuring out how to dispose of it. ;)

Completely second that :)

Michilander Aug 18, 2011 5:14 am


Originally Posted by Chrisinhouston (Post 16940540)
Flew out of Shanghai 2 years ago. My wife and I carry our empty water bottles through security and filled them from a water fountain near the gate. Went to board and they were demanding no carry on liquids of any kind so we just emptied ours out into the can causing quite a mess. Others who bought water at the concessions were made to throw them out and were pretty mad!

Had the same thing happen coming back from Tel Aviv earlier this year. I did notice that the Israelis did not care that I carried my water bottle through the security scan. So, to make up for that you had to dump the water at the gate for US bound flights. Fortunately, I did not have to throw away my shoes, even though I did not have to remove them to go through the security scan, either.

Michilander Aug 18, 2011 5:35 am


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944760)
See, to me, it is a contradiction. You either drink bottled (filtered or spring) water, or you drink fountain water. The poster has bottled water, but it is from a fountain (and presumably unfiltered).

Silly me, I have been doing both. (bolding mine)


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944760)
Secondly, bottled water is a status symbol, like wearing a shirt with an alligator on it. But the poster has just admitted they are a pretender by using fake bottled water. To me, buying bottled water is a sin and wasteful, since I grew up on tap water.

Not always so. Many people have problems drinking the water in some other countries. In those cases, while traveling, bottled water may be the difference between being sick and not being sick.


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944760)
Third, if they want to carry water with them, why don't they get a container that isn't former bottled water, like a colored Gatorade container?

OR, you could buy a reusable, sturdy, BPA-free water bottle that won't get crushed while wrestling it on and off airplanes, empty it go go through security and refill it from the water fountains. It's what I do, and what I intepretted Chrisinhouston to mean they did.

kirkbauer Aug 18, 2011 6:24 am

Few annoyances
 
Here is what annoys me about the liquid ban security theater. First of all, they seem to take whatever is printed on the label of the bottles as gospel. I have had 4oz gel deodorants taken away and I have had 2.6oz gel deodorants that are physically bigger passed through just because of what is printed on the bottle. Seems if 4oz is really dangerous it would be easy to forge a label.

Secondly, I can buy a big bottle of water inside of security. Who delivers this water to the stores inside of security and who opens each bottle to make sure the water hasn't been replaced with something else and re-sealed?

doober Aug 18, 2011 6:39 am


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944723)
Why do you want to stay hydrated?

If you did not bother to follow the advice and Google, 3 words are your answer:

deep vein thrombosis

in two words:

David Bloom

or in one word:

death

Best of luck to you in not drinking on long flights. I hope your life insurance is current.

StanSimmons Aug 18, 2011 9:00 am


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944743)
This is a good question. I had to think for a second, but there is a logical answer. Liquids over certain ounces are considered dangerous on a plane since that is an environment of extreme security. But they can just be thrown in the trash and tossed and emptied out (presumably the staff empties the bottles and saves them for the $0.05 or $0.10 returnable deposit) because, even though they pose the same danger, the environment is one of average security, not heightened security like in a plane. So the custodian could be blown up by the bottles, but so could anybody in downtown by a suicide bomber. You don't get the same safeguards in an environment of average security. You do in a plane because you pay extra for the security.

You really do "drink the kool-aid" for the TSA, don't you?

If you think that an airplane/airport is an "environment of extreme security", then you have never even been near a place that really is serious about real security.

I'll give you a hint: REAL "environments of extreme security" don't let unscreened people load unscreened carts of food/drinks onto airplanes.

Boggie Dog Aug 18, 2011 9:16 am


Originally Posted by StanSimmons (Post 16946629)
You really do "drink the kool-aid" for the TSA, don't you?

If you think that an airplane/airport is an "environment of extreme security", then you have never even been near a place that really is serious about real security.

I'll give you a hint: REAL "environments of extreme security" don't let unscreened people load unscreened carts of food/drinks onto airplanes.

TSA will tell you that the unscreened people had background checks. Tells me all I need to know about the quality of TSA Security.

exbayern Aug 18, 2011 9:39 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 16945868)
If you did not bother to follow the advice and Google, 3 words are your answer:

deep vein thrombosis

in two words:

David Bloom

or in one word:

death

Best of luck to you in not drinking on long flights. I hope your life insurance is current.

That is why I was especially worried about that poster, given their stated physical ailments. Being obese and having had a stroke makes one even more susceptible to such things, and add dehydration whilst flying and it is a very dangerous mix.

mileena, please do some research. You really are putting your life at risk if you truly believe that one should not stay hydrated on a flight. :( You stated in past that you also have other issues, but please don't let those put yourself physically at risk....

joshwex90 Aug 18, 2011 9:39 am


Originally Posted by Michilander (Post 16945589)
Had the same thing happen coming back from Tel Aviv earlier this year. I did notice that the Israelis did not care that I carried my water bottle through the security scan. So, to make up for that you had to dump the water at the gate for US bound flights. Fortunately, I did not have to throw away my shoes, even though I did not have to remove them to go through the security scan, either.

On the Israeli side, you don't need to throw away your liquids, remove your belt, or your shoes. It's not security but GAs of US-bound flights (except for LY) that ask you to throw away all liquids, even stuff purchased in duty-free. Practically, they don't check; they just ask. So as long as it's in your bag, you're good to go.

Ari Aug 18, 2011 10:04 am


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944723)
I am very confused. You do not want to be hydrated on a plane. I had six or so sodas in those little glasses on an airplane, and I ended up going to the bathroom on the plane each time right after I had the soda. Why do you want to stay hydrated?

A few things: Caffeine is a diuretic, so that is one factor if your soda contained caffeine. Also, some people just don't have the same bladder 'behavior' as others; I go to the bathroom twice on a flight from ORD to HKG-- before sleeping and upon waking-- and Idrink at 2L+ of fluid on the flight. Finally, psychology is a factor. Your subconscious may have wanted an excuse to get up and walk around and your bladder was the vehicle it used to achieve that.

mrscherry2000 Aug 18, 2011 11:05 am

It was on both my flight through AMS to JRO as well as the flight to USA coming home. I had no problem on a flight to MUC through AMS since there was no gateside security.

I'll try it again with a smaller bottle this time. When I tried to purchase the liter bottle, they (the airport shop) told me that I couldn't bring it on the plane and that if I bought a small bottle to make sure I drank it before I went through the gateside security.

At least in TXL, they had sodas/water for sale in the post security "holding area" so I was able to buy a couple of small bottles to take on the plane with me.

exbayern Aug 18, 2011 11:12 am


Originally Posted by mrscherry2000 (Post 16947499)
It was on both my flight through AMS to JRO as well as the flight to USA coming home. I had no problem on a flight to MUC through AMS since there was no gateside security.

It isn't a problem intra-Europe; I have never had an issue. It is for US bound flights that some airports enforce this. MUC has not enforced it when I flew on US bound flights on US carriers.

AMS is a little different due to gate side security, but it isn't unique. MCI (an airport located in the US) has gate side security, and thus one is sometimes also 'trapped' airside with little or no option, depending on gate and time of day. At least one gate in HNL used to be like this as well.

LuvAirFrance Aug 18, 2011 3:25 pm


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944723)
I am very confused. You do not want to be hydrated on a plane. I had six or so sodas in those little glasses on an airplane, and I ended up going to the bathroom on the plane each time right after I had the soda. Why do you want to stay hydrated?

Anybody hear about Gerard Depardieu and his Air France incident? He was "hydrated" (if you count alcohol) and had an urgent need. The flight attendants told him to stay in his seat, so he just stood up and did a bladder dump on the floor! Whereupon this "national treasure" was escorted off the flight. Never did hear how the people in the nearby seats took this. Who'd want to continue on that particular flight?

Anyway, hydration has its ups and downs. I had to severely discipline myself on a recent Greyhound trip because the management had scheduled the legs so closely. They stopped for pit stops at places with a SINGLE room for all passengers. Couple of times I thought about finding a nearby bush. Mostly, I cut back my caffeine intake and even my water intake in certain parts of the route. With the "stay in your seat" attitude on planes, I think I'd be careful about my liquid input, too.

erictank Aug 18, 2011 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by mileena (Post 16944712)
I don't understand the point of having a bottle of water if you are just going to use unfiltered tap water? This is a contradiction.


Because... you can carry it onto the plane to drink, and you don't have to pay $4-5/L?:rolleyes: To say nothing of the proliferation of filtered bottles (I've seen bottles with filter straws good for gallons of filtration of tap water - MUCH cheaper than equiv. amount of bottled water).

Sorry, but really? You're having a problem with this concept?


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