Liquid ban should be repealed
 

Now I know this ban has been in place in the EU and USA for quite some years now, but I cannot stop irritating myself over the ban all the time an aircraft has many tons of flammable fuel. It is really stupid that you get stopped at the security checkpoint just because that bottle of water you forgot. When I go to OSL I tend to like to have a bottle of water or soda with me on the bus out, and sometimes I forget to throw it away.

And also laptops should be allowed to be kept in the backpack. I pack logically so laptop and liquid bag is on the top in my backpack, but still it is always a little bit of stress pulling it out and pack it back in again etc. I do not mind security checks like they were before, but at this point it is just insane.

I completely agree with you Will. Its very aggravating that liquids over 100 ml are prohibited. If someone truly has a bad intention, they will work within the 100ml range. The rule forces you to buy a $5 bottle of water in the terminal, which bothers the hell out of me.

With laptops, they have gotten better. If you have the special laptop sleeve, it can remain in there :).

I would like to see it repealed as well. Everything I have read about liquid explosives makes it appear that such a plot is unlikely to work. The materials are either too unstable to make it to the airport or would require hours of prep time at precise temperatures that wouldn't be feasible to do on an airplane. Plus there is nothing stopping terrorists from detonating the bomb at the security checkpoint or combining their liquids after passing through security. I would like to see Mythbusters test this if they already haven't.

I sometimes think the ban is still there partially because of the airlines and airport vendors. Airlines make a lot of money with checked bag fees and the vendors can charge inflated prices after security.

Liquid ban should be repealed
 

Grant is burried in Grant's tomb.

Flew out of Shanghai 2 years ago. My wife and I carry our empty water bottles through security and filled them from a water fountain near the gate. Went to board and they were demanding no carry on liquids of any kind so we just emptied ours out into the can causing quite a mess. Others who bought water at the concessions were made to throw them out and were pretty mad!

Mrs. Grant, too. :)

Bruce

I had a similar thing happen in Cancun a few years ago. They made me throw out my soda from one of the restaurants. I'm assuming it was because the plane was going back to the US. I can't remember if they allowed liquids past the checkpoint.

This is a problem with ICAO and they are the people who initiated this ban.
I have been told that this 100ml ban would be lifted soon.

At least in the States, you can buy a nice liter bottle of water post security. It's hard to stay hydrated on back to back intercontinental flights going through Europe. At least through Amsterdam, because of the gate side checks, I can't even bring any water with me onto the plane. I would love to be able to pick up a liter of water in Amsterdam to bring with me on the plane before my next nine hour flight after traveling + hours overnight. I cannot stay hydrated on those tiny half cup servings of water I get maybe every couple of hours.

I agree with your conclusion but not your logic. The problem is not flammable fluids, the problem is that ability to detonate them. Lots of engineers have spent lots of time ensuring jet fuel will not explode during normal operating conditions. Your can of lighter fluid? Not so much.
I was in Amsterdam a few years ago (but after the liquids ban) and they let me keep my bottled water at the gate x-ray check. Have you tried to take a bottle of water onto the plane in AMS?
By whom? If it's a reliable source, then that is great news. ^

What bugs me is that what they are trying to prevent from getting on the plane is acetone and hydrogen peroxide. When people have those chemicals in 100ml (3.4 ounce) bottles they often let them through because most screeners think they are looking for water.

Where does anybody pay $5 for a bottle of water on the secure side? I've bought water there and never paid that. Plus, my wife and I bring empty bottles thru and fill them with free water. So far, no trouble with that method at all. As for the shampoo, aftershave, etc. I'm just not packing them at all. Last trip I bought a travel package at my destination. Very cheap.

We should protest the existence of TSA, not the stupid rules. I've worked around them easily, but the molestation of babies, the elderly, people in wheelchairs are an insult to the very nature of America. I've seen very little in my 66 years that is as anti-American as TSA. To think we beat the USSR only to degenerate this much. Trillions for defense, and now these slopeheads get to feel our junk.

I've never had an issue bringing water or liquids on board purchased post-security. But it appears that in each of these cases it was on US-bound flights? Intra-Asia, intra-Europe, Europe to Asia and vv I've never had it be an issue.

At this point, the reason liquids can be brought through is the exact same as taking your shoes off, removing your computer... SECURITY THEATER. Plain and simple. Until enough of the country and/or Congress can tell the TSA once and for all that Security Theater isn't making us safe and is simply a waste of money, these things won't change. Opt-out day was barely a blip on the radar.

Ron Paul getting up and arguing against these procedures, as well as NoS, invasive pat-downs... is not enough. We need numerous Dems and Repubs in both Houses to get up, and that requires a concerted effort by FFs and not alike; FTers and not alike.

Spread the word: TSA must go! We need smart security that keeps us safe!

I did something similar 3 weeks ago at SYD (Sydney). 1.5 hours on the ground, remaining in secure area and getting back on the same flight. SYD insists on re-screening before allowing passengers back to re-board.

So, I got off the plane and followed the crowd to re-screening, carrying my water bottle which contained about 30 mls of water. There was nowhere to empty the bottle. At screening, I explained that it was water in the bottle and offered to drink it - "Oh no, Madam, you can't do that." (Why not?) When I asked where I could empty the bottle, I was told that the restrooms were way down the corridor. I asked if I could empty the bottle into the bin and that was also refused.

After some discussion (and my again requesting to be allowed to drink the water), I ended up by emptying the water onto the floor, to the annoyance of all, including me. Not proud of what I did, but still annoyed at having been placed in that situation.

The following week, at STN, my carry-on was re-screened and searched 3 times, all because a novice screener kept mistaking a jar of powder for a bottle of liquid in my carry-on. In the previous 3 weeks, that same powder had been screened through AKL, SYD, DXB, LHR, LGW, VCE, SOU, and BES, all without being queried.

What's even more silly is that at some airports, such as PDX, there is a receptacle provided just prior to the checkpoint, for everyone to dump or toss their prohibited liquids....all in the same container! (which I imagine is just taken to the trash, not checked for actual explosives)

If these liquids are SO DANGEROUS :rolleyes: to not be allowed on the plane, why is it 'safe' for them to be mixed all together in the trash? And right at the checkpoint, where lines of people may be gathered?

Presumably a terrorist would try to smuggle the liquids in, rather than dumping them in the receptacle.

My favorite example of this foolishness is when a TSO confiscates a water bottle, and then saves it to use as a beverage, drinking it right in front of the passengers.

I can think of two liquids that could be carried by different passengers and when dumped into the bucket together would create a pretty unpleasant situation. Not an explosion, just a lot of nasty fumes.

The more practical approach is to take used motor oil in a large obvious container and "voluntarily surrender" it to the TSA. Saves the effort figuring out how to dispose of it. ;)

Sadly, kinda makes me want to pee in a bottle of Mountain Dew and put it in a bin. But I'm not that hateful (but real close).

Good, but don't put it in a bin. Hand it to a TSO.

... warm.

Why not just drink it there? How are they going to stop you?

Or just throw it in the trash. Again, how are they going to stop you?

I don't understand the point of having a bottle of water if you are just going to use unfiltered tap water? This is a contradiction.

I am very confused. You do not want to be hydrated on a plane. I had six or so sodas in those little glasses on an airplane, and I ended up going to the bathroom on the plane each time right after I had the soda. Why do you want to stay hydrated?

No it's not. Besides the fact that many water fountains are indeed filtered, there are good reasons to have a water bottle to fill up with. This way, you don't have to buy water. And it means you don't have to only drink when by the fountain.

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This is a good question. I had to think for a second, but there is a logical answer. Liquids over certain ounces are considered dangerous on a plane since that is an environment of extreme security. But they can just be thrown in the trash and tossed and emptied out (presumably the staff empties the bottles and saves them for the $0.05 or $0.10 returnable deposit) because, even though they pose the same danger, the environment is one of average security, not heightened security like in a plane. So the custodian could be blown up by the bottles, but so could anybody in downtown by a suicide bomber. You don't get the same safeguards in an environment of average security. You do in a plane because you pay extra for the security.

See, to me, it is a contradiction. You either drink bottled (filtered or spring) water, or you drink fountain water. The poster has bottled water, but it is from a fountain (and presumably unfiltered).

Secondly, bottled water is a status symbol, like wearing a shirt with an alligator on it. But the poster has just admitted they are a pretender by using fake bottled water. To me, buying bottled water is a sin and wasteful, since I grew up on tap water.

Third, if they want to carry water with them, why don't they get a container that isn't former bottled water, like a colored Gatorade container?

I guess they can stay hydrated, but they are just going to end up going to the bathroom on the plane like I did. Good thing I chose an aisle seat!

Do you fly very often? Do you fly long haul?

One 500ml bottle isn't enough to keep one hydrated on a flight of 8 hours, and being dehydrated greatly increases the impact of jet lag.

If you are as you state obese and prone to strokes, you should be I suspect even more careful to stay hydrated on a flight.

Your comments about water being a status symbol don't make sense to me. Many of us drink nothing but water - why on earth should I bring an empty Gatorade bottle instead of an empty water bottle? Do you understand that the water onboard an aircraft ie in the lav is not safe to drink, and sometimes the source of 'water' served by the FAs is questionable?

As a useful tip it is always advised to carry one's own water to ensure that one can take one's medication as required.

Wow I thought I had heard it all:confused::confused:
How bout when you board (30 min) then
push/ taxi ( 30 minutes if lucky)
takeoff and cruising altitude ( 30 min)

90 min since you filled water bottle
and you are thirsty

Google staying hydrated on a airplane ~ ~@:-)

Completely second that :)

Had the same thing happen coming back from Tel Aviv earlier this year. I did notice that the Israelis did not care that I carried my water bottle through the security scan. So, to make up for that you had to dump the water at the gate for US bound flights. Fortunately, I did not have to throw away my shoes, even though I did not have to remove them to go through the security scan, either.

Silly me, I have been doing both. (bolding mine)

Not always so. Many people have problems drinking the water in some other countries. In those cases, while traveling, bottled water may be the difference between being sick and not being sick.

OR, you could buy a reusable, sturdy, BPA-free water bottle that won't get crushed while wrestling it on and off airplanes, empty it go go through security and refill it from the water fountains. It's what I do, and what I intepretted Chrisinhouston to mean they did.

Few annoyances
 

Here is what annoys me about the liquid ban security theater. First of all, they seem to take whatever is printed on the label of the bottles as gospel. I have had 4oz gel deodorants taken away and I have had 2.6oz gel deodorants that are physically bigger passed through just because of what is printed on the bottle. Seems if 4oz is really dangerous it would be easy to forge a label.

Secondly, I can buy a big bottle of water inside of security. Who delivers this water to the stores inside of security and who opens each bottle to make sure the water hasn't been replaced with something else and re-sealed?

If you did not bother to follow the advice and Google, 3 words are your answer:

deep vein thrombosis

in two words:

David Bloom

or in one word:

death

Best of luck to you in not drinking on long flights. I hope your life insurance is current.

You really do "drink the kool-aid" for the TSA, don't you?

If you think that an airplane/airport is an "environment of extreme security", then you have never even been near a place that really is serious about real security.

I'll give you a hint: REAL "environments of extreme security" don't let unscreened people load unscreened carts of food/drinks onto airplanes.

TSA will tell you that the unscreened people had background checks. Tells me all I need to know about the quality of TSA Security.

That is why I was especially worried about that poster, given their stated physical ailments. Being obese and having had a stroke makes one even more susceptible to such things, and add dehydration whilst flying and it is a very dangerous mix.

mileena, please do some research. You really are putting your life at risk if you truly believe that one should not stay hydrated on a flight. :( You stated in past that you also have other issues, but please don't let those put yourself physically at risk....

On the Israeli side, you don't need to throw away your liquids, remove your belt, or your shoes. It's not security but GAs of US-bound flights (except for LY) that ask you to throw away all liquids, even stuff purchased in duty-free. Practically, they don't check; they just ask. So as long as it's in your bag, you're good to go.