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birdstrike Dec 12, 2010 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by dgcpaphd (Post 15435507)

"Your cell phone has more of a chance of causing cancer!"

This must be a line that screeners are instructed to say in order to elicit cooperation. I have heard it on more than one occasion.

PhoenixRev Dec 12, 2010 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 15436489)
This must be a line that screeners are instructed to say in order to elicit cooperation. I have heard it on more than one occasion.

That line is second only to "The TSA website is out of date."

RadioGirl Dec 12, 2010 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by meisterau (Post 15435154)
Your scientists have not read the data. Your cell phone has more of a chance of causing cancer! That is what the data shows!


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 15436489)
This must be a line that screeners are instructed to say in order to elicit cooperation. I have heard it on more than one occasion.

meisterau, you are (accidentally or deliberately) confusing the x-ray backscanner body imagers (which were the subject of the letter from UCSF that dgcpaphd cited) and the millimeter-wave (MMW) body imagers. The MMW energy is similar (in frequency) and lower (in power) than cellphones and the comparison is valid. A comparison between X-ray (which, again, everyone else was talking about here) and cell phones is unfounded.

See also my post here. I think TSA maintains this confusion deliberately so they can say "safer than a cell phone" about body scanners without specifying which body scanner technology.

gsoltso Dec 13, 2010 3:02 am


Originally Posted by TXagogo (Post 15432090)
Personally I do not know of anyone who is unhappy about being screened.
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Originally Posted by Chellian (Post 15432194)
It's not *my* experience.
Snip

Sorry gang, I have been really busy and will get back to you hopefully this afternoon! Didn't want you to think I was dumping out on ya.


Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh (Post 15433952)
You are of course correct, and I'd like to offer you a personal apology for any hurt feelings that may have arisen from reading any of my posts. I am unfortunately better at letting of steam using harmless invective and unfortunately worded statements. They seem rather appropos and/or humorous when first penned, but lose their lustre upon review. This is a trait that is unlikely to change over the remainder of my life, but it works for me, so I embrace it with all my heart, and would ask that you do the same by focusing on the broad message rather than the language used to make that point.

No biggie at all, and I truly do not think that a threat was intended so no apology is required. I have a tendency to interpret quickly which may have led me to misinterpret what you wrote. I have read many of your posts, and you make good points sometimes. I do get the message and understand your intent, even if we may disagree on the substance or method of the comment. Take care and I will hopefully get a chance to get on tonite and type some in responses!

PoliceStateSurvivor Dec 13, 2010 9:24 am


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 15433263)
I used to work for a private ambulance service, which required living five hours away from my wife for the workweek, only seeing her on weekends. This job also provided the only disposable income outside of hefty school loans for supporting my small family (wife, myself and a bird).

One day, the owner of the company came to me with a stack of my run reports, covering the past 90 days, telling me that I needed to change the medical codes for the reason for transport or he would not get paid by Medicare. He went on to provide me with a run-by-run list of the codes and narratives that he wanted me to write up and sign. I quit on the spot, turned over my ambulance keys and walked out. The following day, I made reports to the local authorities and Medicare (although I never heard back from either).

^Well done! I might have, however, taken a different approach. I would have refused to do what the boss told me. Had he then fired me, I would have sued for wrongful discharge.

Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 15433263)
I have zero sympathy for someone not willing to take a stand when they see their employer advocating or ordering tasks that are in violation of moral, ethical or Constitutional standards/practices. If individual TSA employees do not like the "disrespect" they receive from a portion of the traveling public, then they need to choose to not work for TSA. After all, their boss, and their coworkers in many cases that I have witnessed, have no problems telling the public, whom THEY SERVE, to not fly if we do not like their policies...

I completely agree. If they choose to perform these reprehensible acts, they must accept the consequences, which incude being hated by people whose bodies they violate and being called (child) molesters, which is exactly what their actions amount to.

As I said before, I have no respect for people who "just do their jobs" without considering the moral implicatons of what they are doing.

dgcpaphd Dec 13, 2010 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by PoliceStateSurvivor (Post 15439298)


snip snip

I have no respect for people who "just do their jobs" without considering the moral implications of what they are doing.


I agree, wholeheartedly.

Perhaps if we take Napolitano and run her through a grope session and then take John Pistole and his family and subject them to the same things he orders for innocent travelers, the madness and abuse might abate.

Why has Obama ignored the outcries from the public? Let's put him and his family through the scanners and gropings and see how quick the new procedures stop.

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Wally Bird Dec 13, 2010 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by dgcpaphd (Post 15440764)
Why has Obama ignored the outcries from the public?

Because they are as yet insignificant numbers. He won't do anything until something approaching insurrection happens.

Not a dig at BHO; the same would be true of any President of either party.

ANB614 Dec 13, 2010 3:58 pm

Are TSOs actually using "the website is out of date" as an excuse?

exbayern Dec 13, 2010 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by ANB614 (Post 15442318)
Are TSOs actually using "the website is out of date" as an excuse?

Yes.

Even here when it was pointed out that the website still states 3-1-1 in a quart size bag we were told that is incorrect (by a TSO).

ANB614 Dec 13, 2010 5:16 pm

The internet is the place most people are going to go for this kind of information. If they can employ thousands of gropers, can't they just hire one webmaster?

PhlyingRPh Dec 13, 2010 5:27 pm


Originally Posted by ANB614 (Post 15442318)
Are TSOs actually using "the website is out of date" as an excuse?

They've been using that excuse since the earliest days of their agency's existence.

PhoenixRev Dec 13, 2010 5:58 pm


Originally Posted by ANB614 (Post 15442318)
Are TSOs actually using "the website is out of date" as an excuse?

Absolutely.

My NEXUS card was refused at PHX and the supervisor told me the TSA website was "out of date" when I pulled it up on my smartphone. I then showed him this post by Pistole saying that TWIC and NEXUS cards were acceptable for ID at TSA airport checkpoints and the nitwit had the audacity to tell me "that program hasn't started yet."

So, yes, they are using "the website is out of date" excuse, because, as we know, some TSA dolt at PHX is privy to when the TSA website is being updated in Washington.

Either that supervisor was lazy or a liar.

Neither is complimentary to him.

wboll Dec 14, 2010 5:59 am

NO SYMPATHY FROM ME FOR THE WANNA BE MALL COPS :mad::mad::mad::mad:

InkUnderNails Dec 14, 2010 6:07 am


Originally Posted by PhoenixRev (Post 15443105)
Absolutely.

My NEXUS card was refused at PHX and the supervisor told me the TSA website was "out of date" when I pulled it up on my smartphone. I then showed him this post by Pistole saying that TWIC and NEXUS cards were acceptable for ID at TSA airport checkpoints and the nitwit had the audacity to tell me "that program hasn't started yet."

So, yes, they are using "the website is out of date" excuse, because, as we know, some TSA dolt at PHX is privy to when the TSA website is being updated in Washington.

Either that supervisor was lazy or a liar.

Neither is complimentary to him.

Add to those the "Any one can create a fake web page excuse" that I got to a printout of the page. I now have business cards printed up with the URLS so they can see for themselves, like that will do any good.

(This is actually pretty serious as it may be an accusation of a federal crime of giving false information to a federal employee during the performance of their duties or some such. But, IANAL, so I am probably wrong. I know I will find out if I am. :p )

Wally Bird Dec 14, 2010 6:44 am


Originally Posted by PhoenixRev (Post 15443105)
Either that supervisor was lazy or a liar.

The latter. Takes a big man to admit to being wrong; few screeners will. It diminishes their self-importance.


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