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Al Coholic Dec 10, 2010 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

I did. Wrote a resignation letter on the spot, turned in my keys and walked off.

oboshoe Dec 10, 2010 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
After reading this thread, there is only one question I would ask the posters here.

How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

How many of you can actually give a specific example of when YOU have done that?

Seems an unfair thing to ask of a TSO if you have not followed through on such a thing yourself.


I have and would do it again. Not saying its easy.

However I am absolutely certain, that if my boss asked my the rub the genitals of hundreds of strange men everyday, that would be the day I resign.

When I see an TSA clerk still in uniform, I know for a fact that they do not have the honor to do the same and that tells me everything I need to know about their character.

sctn8gp Dec 10, 2010 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
After reading this thread, there is only one question I would ask the posters here.

How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

How many of you can actually give a specific example of when YOU have done that?

Seems an unfair thing to ask of a TSO if you have not followed through on such a thing yourself.

although i've never been in a position to have to carry out illegal or morally wrong policies on behalf of my employer, i will say without a seconds hesitation that if my boss told me i would have to grab the crotch of every male customer that came through the front door of our business i would flat refuse. if that means i starve, so be it. maybe i'm too much of a homophobe, but i'd rather flip burgers than grab people's junk all day and put up with the derisive comments and snickering, not to mention the quiet rage and hatred coming from the folks i'm violating.

BearX220 Dec 10, 2010 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

I quit a media agency job when the management got all excited about promoting a sneaker called "Loaded Weapon" to urban kids killing each other in gang warfare. The people I worked for had no moral compass; they thought providing footwear to murderous gangs was either cool or funny. I walked. And you?

VH-RMD Dec 10, 2010 7:15 pm

this is nothing more than the schoolyard bully running crying to the teacher when someone called him a name...

PoliceStateSurvivor Dec 11, 2010 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
After reading this thread, there is only one question I would ask the posters here.

How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

How many of you can actually give a specific example of when YOU have done that?

Seems an unfair thing to ask of a TSO if you have not followed through on such a thing yourself.

I'll join the growing chorus of answers to your challenge.

Some years ago my then-employer was involved in selling telecommnicatons technology to Communist China. I knew full well that this technology would be used as a tool of oppression. Therefore, I politely but firmly told my boss that I could not in good conscience be involved in this effort. It did not not cost me my job immediately, but I got laid off some time later. I don't know if my decision had anyhing to do with it.

And did I mention leaving he USSR immediately after graduating from high school, just to avoid becoming "one of them" and spending the rest of my life "following orders"?

I am willing to bet that if enough TSOs stood up and said: "This is wrong. We will not do it.", the policy would change very quickly. What else could TSA do? Fire all the dissenters and shut down the air transportaion system? I think not.

As I have just said in another thread, the Soviet empire crumbled like the house of cards when enough people stopped "following orders".

Wally Bird Dec 11, 2010 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by PoliceStateSurvivor (Post 15429606)
What else could TSA do? Fire all the dissenters and shut down the air transportaion system? I think not.

Think again. http://avstop.com/news/strike1.html

Combat Medic Dec 11, 2010 6:49 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
After reading this thread, there is only one question I would ask the posters here.

How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

How many of you can actually give a specific example of when YOU have done that?

Seems an unfair thing to ask of a TSO if you have not followed through on such a thing yourself.

Yes, I have. I was given a direct order to violate a duly enacted treaty with a sovereign country. I quit that job and reported my supervisor to the proper authorities.

candi Dec 11, 2010 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
After reading this thread, there is only one question I would ask the posters here.

How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

How many of you can actually give a specific example of when YOU have done that?

Seems an unfair thing to ask of a TSO if you have not followed through on such a thing yourself.


I have.

I had a boss who would scream and berate a co-worker because he wasn't the fastest or the sharpest.

I left and told him that his vindictive belittling of an employee was, at many times, unjustified and detriment to morale.

I was his best employee and quit. Though it wasn't a change in policy, it was a mistreatment of a human being.

Boggie Dog Dec 11, 2010 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 15429800)

Obama doesn't have a 10th of the cojones that Reagan did.

Obama would fold like the proverbial house of cards.

ANB614 Dec 11, 2010 7:19 pm

As you might know, I am against the scanners and pat-downs. However, I am also against Nazi comparisons. No one is being mass-murdered here. I am very opposed to the loss of rights here, but I very much hate this Nazi business. Perhaps I am being too literal, but please consider it before you do this.

Combat Medic Dec 11, 2010 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by ANB614 (Post 15430158)
As you might know, I am against the scanners and pat-downs. However, I am also against Nazi comparisons. No one is being mass-murdered here. I am very opposed to the loss of rights here, but I very much hate this Nazi business. Perhaps I am being too literal, but please consider it before you do this.

The Nazis didn't start with genocide.

ButIsItArt Dec 11, 2010 7:27 pm


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 15421951)
After reading this thread, there is only one question I would ask the posters here.

How many of you have found yourself in a position where your boss decided to change a policy into something that, on average, only half of those asked think is, overall, something that should be stopped... and actually had the courage to QUIT your job without any clear way you could support your family?

How many of you can actually give a specific example of when YOU have done that?

Seems an unfair thing to ask of a TSO if you have not followed through on such a thing yourself.

I quit a job in which I was instructed explicitly to engage in unethical and illegal conduct. Not easy, given what I was making, and the likelihood of retaliation if I refused. Years later I got some sense of vindication when I saw indictments coming down on those who tried to pressure me into doing what I knew was wrong.

So what cards are you holding, cowboy?

ANB614 Dec 11, 2010 7:30 pm


Originally Posted by Combat Medic (Post 15430183)
The Nazis didn't start with genocide.

Ok, when we are murdered for refusing the NoS, I will concede this point.

Combat Medic Dec 11, 2010 7:32 pm


Originally Posted by ANB614 (Post 15430207)
Ok, when we are murdered for refusing the NoS, I will concede this point.

There are many that believe that being sexually assaulted is worse than being killed.


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