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This thread--a continuation of previous discussions through May 2015 and December 2016--focuses on general Chase policies & practices for new applications. For information on specific Chase cards and their bonuses/terms/benefits, see the following threads and their associated wikis: Table of Contents
  1. Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?

  2. What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?

  3. Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?

  4. How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?

  5. How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?

  6. Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?

  7. Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?

  8. Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?

  9. I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?

  10. I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?

  11. I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?

  12. How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?

  13. Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?

  14. Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?

  15. Useful Chase telephone numbers

Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
Chase does not have a known limit. However, several reports (for example) indicate that Chase is highly sensitive to multiple applications within a short time period, and that the second (or subsequent) applications run a substantial risk of being denied. In many cases, this is likely related to Chase's practice of allocating a large credit line (up to an applicant's personal maximum) when approving a new card such as the first application in a series. (See also the discussion below concerning aggregate Chase credit lines.)

What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
Starting in May 2015, Chase began denying applications for its own personal cards (e.g., Sapphire Preferred, Freedom, Slate & Freedom Unlimited) if the applicant's credit report shows that she or he opened 5 or more credit cards with any card issuer in the prior 24 months ("the 5/24 rule").

For a few days in early September 2016, Chase included explicit language ("You will not be approved for this card if you have opened 5 or more bank cards in the past 24 months") on the application page for the Sapphire Reserve card--and then promptly removed it. The absence of this language on landing/application pages for the CSR or any other Chase card is not a reliable indicator of whether the 5/24 policy applies.

See the next section for co-branded cards exempt from the 5/24 policy, and the later section discussing potential ways around 5/24.

Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
Previously the rule did not apply to applications for the Ink Plus business card or to co-branded cards such as United, Hyatt, IHG, etc. However, on May 22, 2016 Chase extended its 5/24 rule to cover Ink business cards and some co-branded cards. (Note that there were premature reports that Chase Ink Plus would be made subject to the rule in March 2016 (which did not happen), and that all co-branded cards would follow in April 2016 (also did not happen).)

Although we had numerous reports of applications prior to May 22 being denied for a United/Hyatt/IHG/WN card by a CSR citing the 5/24 rule, the available evidence strongly suggested that those applicants had other serious issues--multiple Chase applications in a short period; large existing Chase credit line--and that overzealous CSRs gratuitously (and erroneously) invoked the 5/24 rule in the past as an additional supposed justification for the denial. Thus, it is difficult to separate such false positives from any change in Chase policy.

Instead, the most useful data points are those where an applicant is approved for a Chase card despite being over 5/24. Since May 22, 2016, we have such reports for these co-branded cards (in order from oldest to newest for each card):
For a longer list of cards apparently not subject to 5/24, check this link:
In November 2018, Chase seems to have possibly expanded 5/24 to more cards, possibly including some mentioned above. See this link:
Please follow discussion in the thread for current updates.

How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
The 24-month count includes personal cards opened at other banks, and even cards on which the applicant is only an authorized user and not the primary cardholder. Chase has been extremely inflexible with this policy, with agents stating that there is nothing they can do to circumvent this restriction. However, in some cases Chase may reconsider a denial if the applicant has <5 new cards excluding cards on which s/he is an authorized user. You may need to escalate to the next level of customer service agent, as many front-line agents seem to be unable or unwilling to remove the authorized user accounts from the count.

Note:

How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?
In February 2017, a FTer reported a successful application a day or two after dropping from 5/24 to 4/24. However, because Chase sometimes approves applicants who are at 5/24 exactly (see above), this data point does not conclusively prove that Chase drops cards from its calculation on the exact 24-month anniversary of the previous bonus.

Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?
No. Chase uses the information from your credit report, and closing an account doesn't make it disappear.

Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?
As to targeted mailers, we have insufficient anecdotal evidence to reach any reliable conclusions. (Reports suggesting no exemption from 5/24 here and here.)

There have been reports of people with more than 5 cards opened in the last 24 months being successful if they are already pre-approved for the card in question. To find out if you are pre-approved, you can call or go into a branch to ask. Success stories appear to be connected to Chase Private Client (CPC) status and the rollout of the Chase Sapphire Reserve card. In-branch pre-approvals (showing a green screen on the banker's computer) result in automatic approvals. Some (but not all) CPC clients had success in recon calls[[I]citation needed].

Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?
It depends. A Chase card may be "churned" when an entirely new version becomes available. For example, business cards are distinct from personal/consumer cards. Note that simple variations among bonus offers do not amount to new versions/products for purposes of this rule.

Beginning in 2014, Chase began including explicit language in most of its offers, such as the following:
This new cardmember bonus offer is not available to either (i) current cardmembers of this consumer credit card, or (ii) previous cardmembers of this consumer credit card who received a new cardmember bonus for this consumer credit card within the last 24 months.
Effective August 2018, Chase imposed stringent additional restrictions on receiving the signup bonus for any version of the Sapphire card. See Sapphire (CSR & CSP) 48 months between bonuses, August 2018 and the master threads for each card (listed above) for details and discussion.

There are four key considerations in determining whether you can churn a given card:
  • The 5/24 policy discussed in detail above.
  • The 24-month bonus waiting period--in the case of Sapphire cards, the collective 48-month period--is measured not from the date of your previous application (or approval date, if different), but instead from the date you received the signup-related bonus on the previous card, which may be 3-4 months later than the approval date. The same rule applies regardless of the type of signup bonus received (points, miles, or free-night certs); anniversary benefits unrelated to spending requirements, such as annual IHG & Marriott certs, do not count as signup bonuses.
  • If you still have your old card of the same type, you're ineligible.
  • Chase's policy does not indicate whether there is also a minimum waiting period between cancellation and reapplication, and there is not yet sufficient anecdotal evidence from FTers to draw firm conclusions. At a minimum, a prudent churner will wait at least a week or two after cancellation before reapplying so that all of Chase's systems fully reflect that closure. (See first bullet point above.) At least one FTer has reported re-applying successfully 14 days after canceling the previous card.
Finally, note that if you reapply too soon, Chase may still issue you the new card. (This differs from some other card issuers, which may deny such applications outright.) In this case, Chase typically notifies you by letter within a month or two after approval that, as a previous cardholder, you will not receive the bonus a second time.

I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?
No. Being an additional user on someone else's account poses no bar to applying for that same card & bonus, except insofar as such cards may count toward the 5/24 rule (as discussed above).

I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?
Yes.

In the past, the conventional wisdom among FTers was that you were more likely to hurt your chances by closing an account or reducing CL unilaterally. However, substantial evidence from 2014 onward strongly indicates that Chase is increasingly likely to reject applications (or at least not auto-approve them) where an applicant has an existing total credit line that is high compared to his/her income & spending patterns. (For many members, the threshold appears to be in the $45K-60K range, but that is highly speculative.)

Recent reports suggest that closing accounts and/or voluntarily reducing credit lines increases the odds of auto-approval or in-branch pre-approval. (You can do either by calling or simply sending a secure message through your Chase online account. You do not need to provide a reason for the request.) For best results, keep at least $5K-10K in excess credit; if your application is not approved, you can always contact the reconsideration department and offer to reallocate that portion of your existing credit line. Note: despite allowing credit line to be moved between personal and business accounts in the past, Chase is no longer permitting such reallocation in either direction.

With respect to timing, it is better to reduce any CL as soon as you can conveniently do so, e.g., after meeting the bonus spend on a card you do not plan to use regularly thereafter. (Do not reduce CL on a given card if it would increase your "credit utiilization"--that is, the ratio of outstanding balance to CL--above ~30%. A high credit utilization number is a red flag for banks and can adversely affect your credit score.) Waiting until one's next application to lower a CL is less than optimal, as the reduced CL is not immediately recognized by all of Chase's systems.

There is no known minimum wait between lowering a CL and having the freed-up amount become available for purposes of a new application. A prudent applicant will, as recommended above, plan well in advance; failing that, an applicant would be wise to wait at least 24 hours between lowering a CL and applying for a new card.

I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?
It may be better to avoid calling Chase unless your application is denied. Many recent calls on pending applications led to denials, and many people report having success letting applications work their way through the system. Be patient. Time is on your side; increasingly, Chase CSRs are not.

If you do call, expect extensive and possibly hostile questioning. Be prepared to answer questions regarding the need for more credit, past credit apps for both Chase and other banks, income, business finances, etc. Know your CLs with Chase before you call so you know which card/s you are willing to decrease the CLs on. If the app is for a significant other who dislikes such calls, they can authorize you to speak on their behalf and hand the phone over to you.

How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?
Just send Chase a secure message (SM) through your online account. Although the deadline should in theory be N months from the date of approval (not the date of application or card activation)--where N is the number of months specified in the offer--Chase typically pads this period to account for the time required to fabricate and deliver physical cards. For example, a recent "3-month" deadline was in fact 114 days, as confirmed by Chase's SM confirmation.

Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?
Bonus points typically accrue at the close of the billing period in which you incur the corresponding charges. Points should appear in your hotel/airline account within a few days thereafter.

NOTE: If you complete your required spending in the last 7-10 days of the statement period, the bonus may not post until the following month's statement, even if the regular per-dollar points post on the first statement. This is normal behavior for Chase and is not worth a phone call.

Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?
Useful Chase telephone numbers
(800) 432-3117 – General Application Status Line, automated
(800) 436-7927 – Alternative General Application Status Line, automated
(888) 609-7805 – Alternative Personal Reconsideration line with live rep
(888) 269-8690 - Business Credit Card Application Status Line, automated
(800) 453-9719 – Business Credit Card Reconsideration Line with live rep
(800) 955-9900 – General Card Services and Application status, automated
(888) 298-5623 – Credit Reallocation Office (Personal cards)
(800) 453-9719 – Credit Reallocation Office (Business cards)
(888) 622-7547 – Executive Offices
(877) 470-9042 – Personal Application Verification line with live rep
Twitter: @ChaseSupport
Note: In the past, automated telephone status reports stating that Chase would notify you in 2 weeks often resulted in an approval, whereas the "7-10 days" telephone recording often indicated imminent denial. In 2016, this pattern became increasingly unpredictable, with many applicants receiving approval despite an earlier "7-10 days" automated telephone message. As a result, automated telephone responses should not be regarded as reliable indicators of an application's likely outcome.
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 3:23 pm
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I could use some guidance from people who have experience with pre-approved offers. I am way over 5/24 and live in an area without Chase branches, but this week I am working ~2 mins away from a branch. Today I've dropped by the branch and was told that I was pre-approved for United card and CSP. I have an IHG card (with Chase) opened in early Oct, and for that card they had to re-allocate CL from another card, so I am most likely maxed out in terms of CL. I have also two Barclay's cards opened in mid-September. I am thinking whether I should apply for CSP now, or wait until the end of Dec., when I'll be close to Chase branch again, and apply then. There's no urgent need for the card, I just want to maximize my chances of getting approved. Thank you!
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by DiMAn0684
I could use some guidance from people who have experience with pre-approved offers. I am way over 5/24 and live in an area without Chase branches, but this week I am working ~2 mins away from a branch. Today I've dropped by the branch and was told that I was pre-approved for United card and CSP. I have an IHG card (with Chase) opened in early Oct, and for that card they had to re-allocate CL from another card, so I am most likely maxed out in terms of CL. I have also two Barclay's cards opened in mid-September. I am thinking whether I should apply for CSP now, or wait until the end of Dec., when I'll be close to Chase branch again, and apply then. There's no urgent need for the card, I just want to maximize my chances of getting approved. Thank you!
So you think you are maxed out on Chase CL. Do you need and use all of that CL on a regular basis? If not, I'd reduce it right away. Leave whatever amount you will actually use n each card, and another $5k on one card in case you need to transfer CL on a future app. Excess CL with Chase may result in a denied app, and will certainly prevent an auto approval.
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by RobertHanson
So you think you are maxed out on Chase CL. Do you need and use all of that CL on a regular basis? If not, I'd reduce it right away. Leave whatever amount you will actually use n each card, and another $5k on one card in case you need to transfer CL on a future app. Excess CL with Chase may result in a denied app, and will certainly prevent an auto approval.
Good point, thank you. Can easily reduce my CLs by $10k.
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by DiMAn0684
Good point, thank you. Can easily reduce my CLs by $10k.
I hate that people keep giving this advice. I would NOT do that. It will increase your chances of *auto-approval* but will not increase your overall chances of approval. There are plenty of data points out there where people pro-actively reduced their credit lines and then Chase didn't want to get them more credit, including mine. I even changed it in the wiki, and someone changed it back!

I don't know exactly how 5/24 works with in-branch pre-approval, so I can't really comment on if you can get it if you're not auto-approved. But having the credit to shift to another card is better than pro-actively reducing your credit lines. I suppose as long as you make sure you still have enough extra credit to move to the new card, you are probably okay. But remember that you can't move credit between business and personal cards, so for the United and CSP cards you'd still have to have enough excess personal credit. For those cards, I think it's $5k each.
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by penner42
I hate that people keep giving this advice [to proactively reduce CLs]. I would NOT do that. It will increase your chances of *auto-approval* but will not increase your overall chances of approval.
I'm curious to know what your basis for this claim is.

There are plenty of data points out there where people pro-actively reduced their credit lines and then Chase didn't want to get them more credit, including mine. ...

I suppose as long as you make sure you still have enough extra credit to move to the new card, you are probably okay. But remember that you can't move credit between business and personal cards....
The advice in the wiki literally encompasses all of these cautions. The position you're arguing against ("slash your CL to the bare minimum for your existing cards with no additional to reallocate") is a strawman that represents the views of nobody here on FT.
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by beltway
I'm curious to know what your basis for this claim is.


The advice in the wiki literally encompasses all of these cautions. The position you're arguing against ("slash your CL to the bare minimum for your existing cards with no additional to reallocate") is a strawman that represents the views of nobody here on FT.
It's in the wiki, yes. But most people never mention it when saying, "yes, lower your credit lines." They just tell people to lower them enough to free up $x amount of credit, and it's never (or rarely) brought up that they should keep enough to move around just in case. It may not be representative of the views of people giving advice, but for someone asking it can certainly lead to mistakes without it being clarified. In this case it was mentioned to "leave $5k for a future app" but even that is confusing as it makes it sound like it's not necessary for this particular application. Also, that wouldn't be enough for the CSR, as it has a $10k minimum.

As for the first part of your comment, you don't get instant approval if you need to move credit around. So lowering your lines *may* increase your chance of instant approval if Chase is willing to give you more credit after you've done that. On the flip side, if you did lower your credit too much and don't have enough to transfer, you've killed your chance of getting approved at all.

I guess the best question is: Are there ANY datapoints where Chase did not let you move credit around to get approved, all else being equal? If not, there's no reason at all to reduce your credit lines. Yes, 5/24 complicates that, especially for in-branch pre-approvals. But unless you are really averse to having to talk to someone, I see no need to do it. The only time, I guess, where it might help is if you have high business credit lines and want a personal card, or the reverse. Then, maybe, reducing the business credit lines will allow Chase to give you personal credit. But otherwise I see no reason to give this advice.

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Old Oct 31, 2017, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by penner42
I guess the best question is: Are there ANY datapoints where Chase did not let you move credit around to get approved, all else being equal?
Yes. See below for a report from this month.

But unless you are really averse to having to talk to someone, I see no need to do it.
Many experienced FT churners are averse to talking to Chase not because they're antisocial freaks (although that may be true), but because Chase CSRs have a demonstrated history of making arbitrary and capricious decisions. Personally, I'll take my chances with the dispassionate automated system, which keeps approving me for new cards with CLs north of $30K after I've strategically lowered my CL pre-app. You may view that as mere cargo-cult thinking, but note this recent example:

Originally Posted by jessie061
I applied for the United Mileage Plus card with a 60k targeted offer (unitedexplorercard.com/bonus8), received pending notification, and then was approved 4 days later. At the time I had 4 personal cards in 24 months.

Received the card in the mail this week with a letter saying that Chase had taken credit from 2 of my accounts (Sapphire Reserve & Ink Bold) to approve the new card.

I went to use it today and it was declined, so I called and was told that the account has been closed. Chase said they should not have taken credit from a business card for a personal card, so to "fix" the error they closed the account. They were not able to re-open the account, although I offered to take credit from a different personal account and/or reduce the credit limit.

Chase said I would have to re-apply. However I had been approved for the Barclays AA card just after the United card so now I'm at 5/24. I tried applying and was denied for 5/24.

Am I out of luck?
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by beltway
Yes. See below for a report from this month.
The post you quoted was a pretty unique situation. They were offering to move credit after a card had already been opened, Chase had realized it was a mistake, and then it had been closed. Had they gotten pending, and then called reconsideration, it's likely Chase's mistake never would have been made. Also note that they *had* enough personal credit, and Chase did it wrong anyway, by moving business credit. It's a crappy situation, but it really has nothing to do with the question at hand.

I get not wanting to talk to Chase reps because they do things arbitrarily. But the flip-side: After I reduced my credit lines, and then they didn't want to give me more credit for my CSR, I was able to convince them to anyway. I got them to factor in assets, not just income. I told the truth, but never had to provide any proof of those assets. So there's a situation where the computer would never have approved me, but I was able to get approved by a real person.

I guess I just wish people would be more clear when they say "reduce credit lines!" It should be laid out pretty specifically. I know people are against "spoon feeding" or whatever, but without clarifications it is simply giving advice that will probably be taken the wrong way.
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 3:15 pm
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Which CRA for "open" accounts and converted cards?

I didn't see this in the Wiki, and I searched this thread for "convert" and didn't see it either.

1) Do we know which (if any) CRA Chase uses for determining the 5 new accounts in 24/months rule?

2) What about an account that was converted?


In my case I have a Carecredit card (many many years old). I just got a new card in the mail about 2 weeks ago informing me that they've converted (I did not apply or ask for this) to a Mastercard Care Credit (still through Synchrony Bank it appears).

My CreditKarma reports this as a "new account", but I've not paid the fee fee to MyFICO to get the credit reports to see what the 3 CRA show.

Similarly, Citi will be converting my Citi Hilton Honors to an Amex (unless I deliberately cancel it).

Thanks!
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 4:41 pm
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2) What about an account that was converted?
.....

Similarly, Citi will be converting my Citi Hilton Honors to an Amex (unless I deliberately cancel it).
I called recon today re denial for the new Preferred Ink. They said I had 5 new accounts in 24. I don't. I only have 4 but they were showing my last HH Visa as two accounts since I PC'd it to DoubleCash last summer. Both were same open date, August 2016.

Wasn't thinking at the time that being an MC it would be a new number. Of course keeping it would ultimately generate a new Amex number.
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by hurnik
I didn't see this in the Wiki, and I searched this thread for "convert" and didn't see it either.

1) Do we know which (if any) CRA Chase uses for determining the 5 new accounts in 24/months rule?

2) What about an account that was converted?


In my case I have a Carecredit card (many many years old). I just got a new card in the mail about 2 weeks ago informing me that they've converted (I did not apply or ask for this) to a Mastercard Care Credit (still through Synchrony Bank it appears).

My CreditKarma reports this as a "new account", but I've not paid the fee fee to MyFICO to get the credit reports to see what the 3 CRA show.

Similarly, Citi will be converting my Citi Hilton Honors to an Amex (unless I deliberately cancel it).

Thanks!
1. They pull different bureaus depending on what state you're in. Should be able to find this info with a quick Google search.

2. Cards that were PC'd or cancelled still count towards your 5/24.
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Old Nov 2, 2017, 7:36 am
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Originally Posted by Belllaaa
Finally got under 5/24 yesterday.
Should I apply for the ink card today? or will be a better chance to get automatic approval if I wait a week or so or even until next month?
Data point

I waited until yesterday Nov 1 applied first for the Ink approved instantly than for United approved automatically after two hours without calling.
Applied for AA Barclay-card approved instantly.
Applied for Delta gold and delta platinum both cards approved instantly and I have a total now of six Amex credit cards
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Old Nov 2, 2017, 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by knokturnl
1. They pull different bureaus depending on what state you're in. Should be able to find this info with a quick Google search.

I understand this has been helpful to many but in my experience (more than once) this did not help and of late, Chase has pulled from two of the three major credit agencies.

2. Cards that were PC'd or cancelled still count towards your 5/24.

We have PC'd cards several times to keep AAoA intact and have never had these counted as new accounts. Of course, we did not PC a Visa to a MC or vice versa. As far as I know, the only way to be absolutely sure what has been counted as a new card opened in the past 24 months is to request a Credit Report from each agency as they do not always reflect the same - have done this a few times so we know that our PC'd cards did not count. I hope this data point is helpful and understand YMMV!
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Old Nov 2, 2017, 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by knokturnl
1. They pull different bureaus depending on what state you're in. Should be able to find this info with a quick Google search.

2. Cards that were PC'd or cancelled still count towards your 5/24.
Originally Posted by aglasgow
We have PC'd cards several times to keep AAoA intact and have never had these counted as new accounts. Of course, we did not PC a Visa to a MC or vice versa. As far as I know, the only way to be absolutely sure what has been counted as a new card opened in the past 24 months is to request a Credit Report from each agency as they do not always reflect the same - have done this a few times so we know that our PC'd cards did not count. I hope this data point is helpful and understand YMMV!
Generally, they still count as new accounts, but they keep the original opening date. So if you got it in the last 2 years, you now have 2/24 from it. If it is older than that, it is a "new" account but shows up as opened more than 2 years ago, so doesn't affect 5/24. This is the way it should work, but YMMV. We don't know what will happen with every possible conversion combination.
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Old Nov 2, 2017, 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by penner42
Generally, they still count as new accounts, but they keep the original opening date. So if you got it in the last 2 years, you now have 2/24 from it. If it is older than that, it is a "new" account but shows up as opened more than 2 years ago, so doesn't affect 5/24. This is the way it should work, but YMMV. We don't know what will happen with every possible conversion combination.
Ah, OK, so they go by the Open Date, not necessarily the "new" account date.

I guess I'll have to fork out the $70 or whatever from MyFICO and get all 3 reports and see what they show/say.

Credit Karma is OK, but doesn't show the actual CRA stuff.
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