good to know...i like those a little better....i guess the days of two people travelling in J on CX are really gone....due to my size, the current J did not present any issues other than not being able to travel with my wife well...now my next trip will be with our 3.5 year old in J also...not really looking forward to A A D or K K G....i think we should be able to see our child in G or D OK...

Let's compare
 

We all CX Lover here, and really hoping to have better product and service that we (or our company or the bonus from your partnership) paid. For sure this current design started rolling out last year designed mainly for solo business travel, not +1, not family, while looking at other herringbone design, I think we could compare better. Hopefully next time we get that pen and survey or vote in the annual general meeting, we could tell them louder what we want.

This is what I think after viewing others comment:
- More space especially for Shoulder (set a few seat less per cabin and open up? or just more slimline design of the screen rather just straight boxy like)
- Maintain Privacy but allow interaction if travel with companion (movable screen divider for center seats, flexible and maintain the design of cabin? probably for seats close to baby basket)
- Keep head next to window not aisle (no one want anything on our head while we sleeping, and i don't think any of the current herringbone design among other airlines flip their design)

Pprobably we have to ask, why the original Virginal Upper Class are they so successful after all these years without any major change? (correct me if i am wrong). Are we missing something? the Lounge/Bar on board for socializing? wifi to keep us working? or simply CX is the one of the few herringbone airlines also provides First Class? last personal comment, although I missed the SQ space bed, I don't really like to climb over other feet nor trying to seat backward on BA.

Here are other Herringbone design from other Airlines:
VS http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/us...dbed/index.jsp
AC http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelin...t_intexec.html
DL http://blog.delta.com/?s=flat+bed
NZ http://www.airnewzealand.com.hk/on-t...ss-premier.htm
9W http://www.jetairways.com/EN/HK/Prod...OfService.aspx

The new US Envoy seats looks very good.It seems to have more space in upright position but less space in sleeping position(mind you that CX J has a bit more space created by the little curve in sleeping position).

VS and AC both posted a width of 33" and 31" inches at the shoulder. Interestingly, the CX seat has 32" but it does look a tad more "claustrophobic", as some would say. As gbkid202 mentioned, CX and TK are among the only ones which offer F on top of a herringbone J layout. I don't know about DL, but AC/NZ/9W have their J class situated either at the nose or in zone A on their A346/77W/772ER. CX and VS are the only airlines with an all-herringbone-J upper deck. Whether that has affected the actual design of the seat, I don't know. Perhaps someone who's flown the 77A in J could enlighten us?

I have never flown VS yet, but their Clubhouse at LHR is absolutely fantastic. Also, I'm intrigued to find out why you'd prefer a lie-flat seat (spacebed) to a flat bed (NGCW). You're comparing apples to oranges here - take the new SQ C seat on their 77W/388 then you'll be making a fair comparison. As far as I'm concerned, I don't have to climb over anyone when seated in A or K on rows 14, 20, 62 or 64 (assuming a high J 744 config) in CW. These seats are often taken up quickly by those who hold full fare tickets or elite status.

On a completely unrelated note, I know 9W serves Dom in J, but apparently they now serve Krug as well (at least that's what's listed on their website)! I was hoping to see something even more impressive in F class but it's "only" also D and K...

looking at gbkid202's post, given that:

1. CX has a reputation for being a well-run airline, with a stylish product, from its logo, to uniforms etc;
2. other herringbone configurations seem to work;
3. CX stated the new J seats were in response to market research, yet from the start has been greeted with some protest;
4. They are rolling out a re-vamp not long after the product has been installed;

How is it they have seemingly gotten it wrong, twice in a row it would seem?

Seatbelts on herringbone
 

I've tried the herringbones of VS, NZ, CX and TK(9W). It always feels to me that CX is the most claustrophobic and TK the most spacious.

Another thing that I notice is different is the seatbelt type and policy. VS, NZ and TK have only one seatbelt around the waist. But CX has one around the waist and ANOTHER from shoulder to waist, the latter of which puzzles me - why would the other airlines deem this second seatbelt unnecessary while CX thinks otherwise?

Also IIRC, VS and NZ even allows flexible recline during landing; their flight crew announce during the landing process that their seats have been "approved to do so". I can't remember what TK policy is. But CX insists on full upright seat position during landing, obviously with both seatbelts securely in place. It's strange that one type of herringbone is approved for flexible recline while another isn't - or is this just CX being paranoid and rigid? :confused:

Well, CX always says that they are very concerned in their customers' safety in their safety video. If there is an emergency landing, their 3 pointed seat belt might prevent you from bumping your head into the wall and might even safe your life.

Anyway, CX always has a good reputation for their safety.They have a good safety record.No deaths since 1970(where sbd put a bomb in the aircraft).Everything in CX inc. services, seats, entertainment... has been caught up by other top airlines, but the only thing they could not be caught up with is their safety. As you all know, they have the highest paid pilots, they fired pilots who had bad discipline.They did all these things including the 3 pt seat belt to make sure their only advantage compared to other top airlines would not disappear.

I've found a few links for this reverse herringbone design:
http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ess-class-seat
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ru...-the-cirr.html

I think this Cirrus reverse herringbone design is great ^ , definitely better than existing herringbone design. It shouldn't reduce current J class capacity by much, because the extra space gained is just smart use of the space above the foot stool for the passenger behind.

One of the best feature I like best is you can get out of your seat without removing the food tray. And these seats look like mini first class seats.

There was no 3 points seat belt on the 77A J. Only the airbag waist belt.

Ask any airline, and none would say that comfort or customer convenience trumps safety. I'm sure VS and NZ would have had professionals certify their seatbelt configurations and seat positions as safe to be used under the relevant circumstances. IMO the extra seatbelt and the rigid need to sit upright during landing strikes me as unnecessary and, frankly, rather at odds with the other airlines with identical seat designs.

This seems to be similar to the new Qantas A380 first class suites.

http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/A380/index

To put it simply in one word "Greed"... The reason why the CX herringbone seat is less comfortable than all the other airlines who uses the same design... That's because they cram in more seats over the same distance. CX might tell you that their shoulder space is 32 inches, but they never tell you where and how they measure it. On average CX has 1 to 2 extra row of herringbone business class seat over the same distance compare to other airlines. This is why you feel so claustrophobic, it is a simple matter of geometry.

As for the new reversed herringbone, I say it is a very smart idea. Using the space on top of the foot to give a passenger more shoulder space during upright position. I will be interested to see the amount of seat loss. If this design requires too much seat loss, I highly doubted CX will implement it.

Also, airlines are governed by the regulations of their home country. CX is governed by HKCAD, and they may have a different opinion to the UK.

Plus the angle of the seat could be different in VS vs CX, and the height of the divider also can have an effect on head impact possibilities etc etc.

Such a mysterious single post. I wish s/he would divulge some more details like timing...

Indeed a mysterious post. I would be surprised if CX were not looking at their next generation of seats as any world class premium airline should be. I'm assuming we would all agree that it takes years to plan, test and implement cabin design changes and CX should be complimented for doing that now (if in fact they are). I understand the current design has been in planning since 2004. The very vocal minority that complain about the current JCL seats should all rejoice that in a few years time they should not have anything to complain about. In the meantime, I for one, as part of the relatively silent majority, will continue to enjoy the privacy and flat bed that CX currently provide in JCL.