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CX is very worried about the fact that key routes such as LHR OW people can use BA for the same price and enjot much better cabin and seat.

when can we expect two for one from CX ?
 

I hate the slimfit CX coffin seats :td: and would fly SQ anytime if they had the routes I need - and, yes you can actually hold open and read a newspaper unlike in the CX coffins
Their CX marketing survey mentioned earlier was probably to find out which people are too big for the seats so they can add a surcharge on checkin to claw back some of the 8.5 billion they have lost and it seems they are about to get done for price fixing airfreight in Australia to follow on the USA fine

Meanwhile it's time CX dropped the stiff upper lip and got down and dirty price wise like the other Oneworld member

"British Airways is this weekend running its first ever buy one get one free offer on business class flights. The airline, which has seen a 20% drop in premium class passengers since last year, is offering unprecedented fares in its Club World cabin across its network.

Fares to New York will start from £1,666 for two, Hong Kong from £2,633 for two, Mumbai from £1,604 for two and Rio de Janeiro from £3,022 for two. All flights must be booked by midnight on Tuesday 5 May.

British Airways’ head of UK and Ireland sales Richard Tams said: “Never before has travelling in style been so affordable. This is a fabulous opportunity to fly for business or leisure at half the usual cost in amazing comfort. This builds on our initiative to help business, which we announced earlier this week in our BAcking Britain campaign - offering £15 million worth of free flights to SMEs.”

Flights are available on selected dates between 1 June and 31 October and must be booked online or by telephone on 0844 4930787. No stop-overs are allowed and domestic connections, add-ons and transfers are not included in the promotion. Both passengers must fly at the same time.

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British Airways offers SMEs 'free' business flights
The promotion follows extensive business class sales earlier in the year which saw the airline offering Club World flights from London to New York for £1,099, which led to a fares war with Virgin Atlantic.

Virgin Atlantic spokesman Paul Charles said tairline was not going to respond to the current promotion. "We haven't seen the scale of slump in bookings that BA has. Their offer won't affect the business market at all, and the offer period is so short that travellers won't get much time to do it anyway. It's an offer bound by many terms and conditions too."

We LOVE NZ's Herringbone design seat - but of course NZ, AC & VS all are the same design by VS.

With NZ's seat you can take ANY position during take off and landing - there is absolutely no need to sit up if you prefer reclined or even lying down.

The only thing I can think of why CX would not adopt the tried and true design from VS, is the Cost! The CX herringbone is cheap when comparing to the VS version.

I agree--plus CX fits in more new J seats on a 747 when compared with the VS (LHR) 747s--2 more seats on the UD and 4 more on the MD, given the same sections on the 747. I guess the seat manufacturer is not to blame--most probably CX wanted to fit in more J seats than the VS config, hence the manufacturer had to work with the seat no. contraint given by CX, hence narrower seats.

AC's seats are not the same as VS/NZ's. AC, 9W, and DL have similar seats.

I don't remember the exact technical design of the seats, but is there any (easy) way for them to remove these extra rows of seats, and improve the spacing between partitions (but keeping the seat itself) ?

they put in all these extra seats to maximize revenue when the market was good, but now that load factor is low anyway, if there's any easy way to do it they might as well just take away those and address one of the key concerns around castrophobic feeling / narrowness of the seat, without hurting revenue much (but, of course, the point around traveling with family still can't be addressed, but at least that might be somewhat lower priority)...

I think it wouldn't be easy to remove the seats to make more extra space. There are lots of cables in the thin walls( the TVs, seat controls,lights...) .They will have to rearrange not only the seats but also all the cables.Moreover, they have just refitted half of their fleet with the NJs.They are going to receive another 77W(11th) and will have to pay for it. With limited funds, I can say that it is almost impossible that they will rearrange their NJs.

And to improve the spacing between partitions but keeping the seat itself? This will make the seats look narrow and easy to break.And what do you if you dropped sth into the space between the seat and the wall?You(maybe only me) wouldn't get the J feeling when you get into the cabin.I would be happier if CX keeps the NJ seats rather than only increasing the width.

Frankly, I prefer the CX version to the VS version (never flown any of the others). I don't notice whether the seat is any narrower. I don't know if it really is (anyone measure?) Fitting more seats in the "same" space (i.e., Upper Deck) can also be a function of the location of lavs, closets, etc. and doesn't necessarily speak to the size of the seat.

Also, the VS seat has no legrest. I also hate having to get out of the seat to flip it to/from a bed. I particularly hate it right after I wake up in the morning. I like to ease myself back upright for breakfast/landing. I think the CX seat is softer too.

Oh well, YMMV.

Glad to hear the CX seat is softer than VS. Flat as it is I find it very hard to sleep on VS because both the bed when flipped and the pillows are very hard.

While NZ and AC may be the same design, they are definitely not the same in terms of comfort. AC's seat still felt narrow to me the other day, and I never felt that on NZ. Also, doesn't NZ's seat "flip" for sleeping? AC's does not. Haven't had the pleasure of trying VS' take on it. Can anybody compare the "feel" of AC to CX?

Edited to add: I see BON already made the same point--AC is not the same as NZ. Glad to know what I'm likely to think of 9W and DL seats though--and of course the TK seats on the planes they have borrowed from 9W :p

I loved the new J on CX.
The food and liquor, on the other hand, I feel, has gone downhill.

Even I am based in HK and myself as a MPC gold, i enjoyed BA 747 upper level J a lot, the space is magnificent.
the whole package offered by CX may be overall better but their lower fare class sell out too quickly that forced me to pick BA anyway on HKG-LHR routes.

unfortunately I usually fly HK-US routes and I do not have a choice other than buying expensive CX tickets.

I don't usually fly CX, but last month my wife and I did a OW J award from MIA to SIN (plus others). I had a choice of using CX or JL in Asia and selected CX based upon my previous good experience with them. The herringbone config was used in the upper deck of the 747 from SFO to HKG and I did not like it. Can't look out the window, except over your shoulder and the only way you could talk to the person is by nearly standing up. Felt like I was in a narrow bath tub.:td:

I plan to do a 4C RTW J next year and will minimized the use of CX.

Very much agree. It is such a shame BA cancelled our favorite Monday only YYZ-LHR. The only 747 served this route. The upper deck has 10 seats only, plus we have not had one flight that is full, making it even better.