CX Flight Attendants Will Implement Work To Rule.
#1
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CX Flight Attendants Will Implement Work To Rule.
From this
, CX flight attendants will implement work to rule very soon.
there are a lot of complains on the roster n salary issue
some CX crews are being rostered on Same day turnaround trips for the entire month, thus no outstation allowance, thus some crews only survive based on basic of HKD9100 salary.
and CX cut the oversea crew layover time to save cost.
one ridiculous scheduling is that 1 CX crew fly turnaround trip to India and continue fly to Japan the same night, without much rest.
https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/202...00822_001.html
https://hk.on.cc/fea/cx/content.html...822_001&newTab
there are a lot of complains on the roster n salary issue
some CX crews are being rostered on Same day turnaround trips for the entire month, thus no outstation allowance, thus some crews only survive based on basic of HKD9100 salary.
and CX cut the oversea crew layover time to save cost.
one ridiculous scheduling is that 1 CX crew fly turnaround trip to India and continue fly to Japan the same night, without much rest.
https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/202...00822_001.html
https://hk.on.cc/fea/cx/content.html...822_001&newTab
#2

Join Date: Feb 2022
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I recently flew 4x short haul flights with CX last week and 90% of the crew seems tired /stressed/ uninterested especially those working in Y with the exception of the IFMs. There seem to be a lot of crew deadheading on these short flights though - is that of the norm?
That example above where the crew worked a return flight to India and a night flight to Japan may have explained the disinterested / chaotic service on my HKG-KIX flight last week where literally the whole crew looked exhausted and severely disorganised with the Y service (I can tell they were tired and just wanted to get off).
I also thought it was strange at first when the crew disembarked in KIX instead of working on the return flight as HKG-KIX is fairly short 3.5 hours but given the above crew rostering this makes sense then
That example above where the crew worked a return flight to India and a night flight to Japan may have explained the disinterested / chaotic service on my HKG-KIX flight last week where literally the whole crew looked exhausted and severely disorganised with the Y service (I can tell they were tired and just wanted to get off).
I also thought it was strange at first when the crew disembarked in KIX instead of working on the return flight as HKG-KIX is fairly short 3.5 hours but given the above crew rostering this makes sense then
#3


Join Date: Jun 2003
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I took CX 479 from Taipei to Hong Kong on 26 Dec. Very sub-par service levels, and definitely not the usual "norm" with Cathay. Upon boarding, the usual at-the-door greeting was almost non-existent. I boarded via Door 1, and only one flight attendant there with no smiles to "check" the boarding pass; all the while, she was talking with her colleagues in the galley, while occasionally looking at the passengers' boarding passes.
The ISM Eileen was not friendly at all. No smiles on her face. She did greet some passengers after the flight took off, but not sure what the protocol is now regarding greetings. In my past experience, ISMs usually approach at least the Diamond MPC members on each flight with a personal greeting. However, the ISM this time greeted some passengers by checking off a list on her iPad. I am Diamond, but did not get this greeting (I would not have cared anyway); I was more interested how passengers are being "ranked" now to get this ISM greeting or not.
Upon disembarking the plane, there were no "good byes" or friendly send-offs. Again, only ONE flight attendant at the door, and she stood there stoically.
Not sure if this experience is related to work to rule or not, but if not, then this service decline sets a dangerous precedent going forward for an airline which claims/claimed it has great service.
The ISM Eileen was not friendly at all. No smiles on her face. She did greet some passengers after the flight took off, but not sure what the protocol is now regarding greetings. In my past experience, ISMs usually approach at least the Diamond MPC members on each flight with a personal greeting. However, the ISM this time greeted some passengers by checking off a list on her iPad. I am Diamond, but did not get this greeting (I would not have cared anyway); I was more interested how passengers are being "ranked" now to get this ISM greeting or not.
Upon disembarking the plane, there were no "good byes" or friendly send-offs. Again, only ONE flight attendant at the door, and she stood there stoically.
Not sure if this experience is related to work to rule or not, but if not, then this service decline sets a dangerous precedent going forward for an airline which claims/claimed it has great service.
#4




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I recently flew 4x short haul flights with CX last week and 90% of the crew seems tired /stressed/ uninterested especially those working in Y with the exception of the IFMs. There seem to be a lot of crew deadheading on these short flights though - is that of the norm?
That example above where the crew worked a return flight to India and a night flight to Japan may have explained the disinterested / chaotic service on my HKG-KIX flight last week where literally the whole crew looked exhausted and severely disorganised with the Y service (I can tell they were tired and just wanted to get off).
I also thought it was strange at first when the crew disembarked in KIX instead of working on the return flight as HKG-KIX is fairly short 3.5 hours but given the above crew rostering this makes sense then
That example above where the crew worked a return flight to India and a night flight to Japan may have explained the disinterested / chaotic service on my HKG-KIX flight last week where literally the whole crew looked exhausted and severely disorganised with the Y service (I can tell they were tired and just wanted to get off).
I also thought it was strange at first when the crew disembarked in KIX instead of working on the return flight as HKG-KIX is fairly short 3.5 hours but given the above crew rostering this makes sense then
But still, I imagine CX will not return to pre-COVID cabin crew staffing. Once they got away with reducing crew in cabin they probably would not reinstate that.
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Just so I am understand this correctly. It is not really so much a strike, but instead they are just holding the company to the letter of the contract? I am assuming things got relaxed due to covid and they are now asking for things to get back to normal? I mean, I agree. I hope that doesn't bite me on my trip on CX later this week though.
With regards to service, flew AMS-HKG-BKK and the crews were friendly and did a great job. Not over the top great but definitely better than average.
With regards to service, flew AMS-HKG-BKK and the crews were friendly and did a great job. Not over the top great but definitely better than average.
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Just so I am understand this correctly. It is not really so much a strike, but instead they are just holding the company to the letter of the contract? I am assuming things got relaxed due to covid and they are now asking for things to get back to normal? I mean, I agree. I hope that doesn't bite me on my trip on CX later this week though.
With regards to service, flew AMS-HKG-BKK and the crews were friendly and did a great job. Not over the top great but definitely better than average.
With regards to service, flew AMS-HKG-BKK and the crews were friendly and did a great job. Not over the top great but definitely better than average.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule
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Having 100% of a rather small group present agreeing to some union suggestion for action at a future date, is a far cry from the result of a vote organized by the union.
Given the poor state of HK economy, and of CX finances, I doubt that there is much enthusiasm for strikes among FAs.
Given the poor state of HK economy, and of CX finances, I doubt that there is much enthusiasm for strikes among FAs.
#8
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Having 100% of a rather small group present agreeing to some union suggestion for action at a future date, is a far cry from the result of a vote organized by the union.
Given the poor state of HK economy, and of CX finances, I doubt that there is much enthusiasm for strikes among FAs.
Given the poor state of HK economy, and of CX finances, I doubt that there is much enthusiasm for strikes among FAs.
#9
Join Date: Jul 2000
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I took CX 479 from Taipei to Hong Kong on 26 Dec. Very sub-par service levels, and definitely not the usual "norm" with Cathay. Upon boarding, the usual at-the-door greeting was almost non-existent. I boarded via Door 1, and only one flight attendant there with no smiles to "check" the boarding pass; all the while, she was talking with her colleagues in the galley, while occasionally looking at the passengers' boarding passes.
The ISM Eileen was not friendly at all. No smiles on her face. She did greet some passengers after the flight took off, but not sure what the protocol is now regarding greetings. In my past experience, ISMs usually approach at least the Diamond MPC members on each flight with a personal greeting. However, the ISM this time greeted some passengers by checking off a list on her iPad. I am Diamond, but did not get this greeting (I would not have cared anyway); I was more interested how passengers are being "ranked" now to get this ISM greeting or not.
Upon disembarking the plane, there were no "good byes" or friendly send-offs. Again, only ONE flight attendant at the door, and she stood there stoically.
Not sure if this experience is related to work to rule or not, but if not, then this service decline sets a dangerous precedent going forward for an airline which claims/claimed it has great service.
The ISM Eileen was not friendly at all. No smiles on her face. She did greet some passengers after the flight took off, but not sure what the protocol is now regarding greetings. In my past experience, ISMs usually approach at least the Diamond MPC members on each flight with a personal greeting. However, the ISM this time greeted some passengers by checking off a list on her iPad. I am Diamond, but did not get this greeting (I would not have cared anyway); I was more interested how passengers are being "ranked" now to get this ISM greeting or not.
Upon disembarking the plane, there were no "good byes" or friendly send-offs. Again, only ONE flight attendant at the door, and she stood there stoically.
Not sure if this experience is related to work to rule or not, but if not, then this service decline sets a dangerous precedent going forward for an airline which claims/claimed it has great service.
#10
Join Date: Jul 2000
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From this Post, CX flight attendants will implement work to rule very soon.
there are a lot of complains on the roster n salary issue
some CX crews are being rostered on Same day turnaround trips for the entire month, thus no outstation allowance, thus some crews only survive based on basic of HKD9100 salary.
and CX cut the oversea crew layover time to save cost.
one ridiculous scheduling is that 1 CX crew fly turnaround trip to India and continue fly to Japan the same night, without much rest.
https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/202...00822_001.html
https://hk.on.cc/fea/cx/content.html...822_001&newTab
there are a lot of complains on the roster n salary issue
some CX crews are being rostered on Same day turnaround trips for the entire month, thus no outstation allowance, thus some crews only survive based on basic of HKD9100 salary.
and CX cut the oversea crew layover time to save cost.
one ridiculous scheduling is that 1 CX crew fly turnaround trip to India and continue fly to Japan the same night, without much rest.
https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/202...00822_001.html
https://hk.on.cc/fea/cx/content.html...822_001&newTab
Dragonair's (R.I.P) roster were much better! even the ex-KA crew are complaining.
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Doing the bare minimum - it is a common method in the aviation industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule
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On my flights from BKK-HKG-AMS on the 29th, there was absolutely no evidence any of this has started yet. Great crews and what I had always expected from CX. The ground experience at HKG is just flat out sad though.

