kaka

Btw, ure more likely to run into a smoker seatbuddy on JL Than on cx in my experience

headinclouds

For this route, HKG-TYO, I would use an avios PE award, not business. The 2 times I selected PE on JL, I was upgraded to business. I'm OWE and those flights were regional Asian flights.

kaka

tho you are high in line to opup to c, hkg tyo vv jal, esp hnd, is hard for opup.
otoh, its rather common on cx.

brodes

Any thoughts on CX520? The timing works better than the JAL option to hnd later in the day (JL26).

Looks like it's the Long haul A330. Any thoughts or feedback on this flight?

ijgordon

OK, jumping back on here. We flew HND-HKG in the JL SkySuite III(?) - the Cirrus seat being discussed, a few weeks ago. We had windows behind one another. They definitely felt tighter than the AA/CX versions of these seats.

I noticed that one side of the center seats lifted "up" in flat bed mode, and the other side went "down", such that the feet of the two pax in the center would be overlapping in bed mode. The "up" side must be horrific because your feet would be so close to the top of the shoebox.
I'm wondering if this layout (the 3D referred to earlier?) allows them to angle all of the seats more sharply while keeping aisles wide enough, and thus get more seats into the same space. I know that AA uses the Cirrus in 3-class F on its narrowbody A321 transcons, and those, while not tight per se, are somewhat more difficult to get into and out of because of a sharper angle. Perhaps the JL SSIII takes this to another level? That would explain the apparently fewer windows per seat.

Bottom line for me, it wasn't a great version of this seat, although I'd still probably be okay with it as a flat bed as I'm not that big, but it was somewhat tight for relaxing. This was part of a longer F/J ticket, but if I were paying cash, I would think PE would be totally fine for a flight of this length.

JALPak

I tried the middle seat the other day and surprisingly I actually prefer it over the window one because of the extra space in the footwall (my feet no longer need to push against a wall).

Yes, the whole point of this 3D layout is to fit more seats into the cabin.

1010101

You are slightly more squashed in but there is not much difference, for example Air France fit the same 7 rows of Cirrus seats in between the first two doors of a 772.

The main reason for the 'missing' window is that it is partially covered up by the IFE screen design. It is still there.

ijgordon

I'm not entirely sure that's a valid comparison due to placement of galleys and lavatories.

sxc

So CX cirrus is better than JL 3D cirrus which is better than AY cirrus?

JALPak

Sure, in terms of personal space. But you are comparing a long-haul product (CX) to a regional product (JL).

sxc

So JL will only put sky suite 3 product on regional routes? Thought I had read that some planes with Apex were being refitted.

JALPak

More like new deliveries of 787-9 will be fitted with those seats.

So far they are limited to regional flights. Even if they roll this out on long-haul routes eventually, I only expect them to be deployed on lower yield routes like NRT-YVR.

1010101

Toilet and cupboard v galley and cupboard. There's not a huge amount of difference.

1010101

They have announced the whole longhaul fleet is to be refitted with them, starting with the 787-9.

JALPak

That is incorrect. If your source is AusBT, @djsflynn is wrong on this.