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Old Oct 29, 2013, 4:27 am
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Is it possible to buy a (cheap) upgrade on Cathay Pacific upon check-in?

The short answer is no.

Cathay, as a general rule, does not allow you to purchase last minute upgrades if there are empty seats in Y+, J or F. The only way to upgrade a ticket is to pay the fare difference between your current ticket, and an available fare class in the higher cabins. Note that if your current ticket has restrictions (cancellation fees, non-refundable) these still apply.

There are been stories of people who have been offered cheap upgrades by Cathay, but this is more an exception than a common occurrence.


If I upgrade my ticket using asia miles, do I still earn miles?

Yes, you will earn miles for the original fare class that you booked, not the upgraded cabin.

How do I get a free upgrade / operational upgrade (op-up)?
Cathay Pacific does not upgrade passengers just because there are empty seats in higher classes. Upgrades will only occur where there is overbooking in lower classes.

The order of upgrades when required is believed to be:
  1. VIP (Heads of State, Government Bodies, or Canto Pop/Movie stars)
  2. CX Diamond Plus
  3. CX Diamond Invitation, Diamond
  4. CX Gold
  5. CX management staff on travel duty
  6. oneworld Emerald
  7. CX staff on duty nominees , other airline staff nominees, CX staff on personal travel
  8. oneworld Sapphire
  9. CX Silver
  10. oneworld Ruby
  11. CX Green
  12. Asia Miles
  13. Non status
In the event of a tiebreak being needed, generally those with lower "Boarding Numbers" will take precedence (lower BN takes priority). The earlier you check in, the lower your BN. Asking for an upgrade at check-in will not work, so don't. This is definitely one case of where "if you don't ask, you don't get", does NOT apply. The amount you paid for your ticket or the fare class of your ticket does not appear to affect your upgrade chances.


I am travelling on an award ticket. Will I still be considered for a free upgrade?

Yes - there are many stories of passengers on award tickets, or who upgraded a class using miles, getting (additional) upgrades.



What happens if the aircraft has 4 or 3 cabins, but is only selling Business and Economy seats?

It is likely if you have Marco Polo status, and to a lesser extent oneworld status, you may be able to sit in either First Class seats (if booked in J) or Premium Economy (if booked in Y) with service of the original cabin. There doesn't appear to be consistency yet as to how these semi-upgrades are allocated. Some people have been able to choose seats in the higher cabin during online check-in, or some will get them on request at check-in. However, there is no entitlement to these seats.


Will I get an upgrade on my Birthday, or for my membership anniversary, or for reaching xx number of lifetime club miles?

Please see this link for members' experience with these kinds of upgrades: Marco Polo Anniversary Upgrades


I want to use Asia Miles to upgrade a BA flight. How do I do this?

As of 22 June 2018, it is no longer possible to upgrade BA flights with Asia Miles.


How do I upgrade a CX flight using miles?

If you already have issued your original ticket:
  1. Try upgrading using Manage My Booking on the website (not always successful)
  2. If self-service doesn't work, try calling Marco Polo hotline to check availability
  3. If there is availability, you will need to issue the upgrade immediately to secure it. They may give you a few days grace before isssuing the upgrade, but this is now rarely given.
  4. In a few days, or longer if they are busy, your miles will be deducted, and you will be emailed a new e-ticket with the upgrade class details on it, and your online booking for your original booking class will disappear.

If you have not made any booking yet, and you want to check availability:
  1. Call Marco Polo club to check for availability on the flights/dates you want, or check for normal redemption availability on the website.
  2. Book a revenue ticket in the class of service for which you will be paying. Do NOT do this via the website -- call a CX telephone sales number/travel agent.
  3. Put the booking on hold.
  4. Call the Marco Polo/Asia Miles Service Center. Have them book the upgrade and give you a deadline to have the ticket issued. (It's usually about 72 hours).
  5. Have telephone sales/travel agent issue your revenue ticket.
  6. Call Marco Polo/Asia Miles back. Give them the revenue ticket number against the PNR and ask them to issue your upgrade.
  7. In about two or three days, you'll get a new ticket with the upgrade showing.

If you don't receive a new e-ticket before departure, call up Marco Polo club to double check if the upgrade has been issued.
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Old Jun 29, 2017 | 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by neofung
Chance of upgrade is not affected by time of check-in. However, affect the time you know if you are upgraded or not.

When I flied KIX-HKG, didn't do online check-in and on a redemption Y ticket. Arrived the airport 60 min before departure, the ground agent didn't mention anything when I check in. Yet, I was being called while in the lounge and said I was being upgraded to PEY on an A359.

Another flight from NGO to HKG, I booked PEY and arrived at the airport 2 hours prior departure. The GA said Y was overbooked so I might have chance to upgrade to J. However, she could not confirm at the time I check in.

Once also experienced an instant upgrade from Y to J while check in.

So, just be patient and wait. That is what you can do.
Chance of upgrade can be affected by check-in time, but to a lesser extent. When it does, the earlier the better chance.
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Old Jul 1, 2017 | 10:07 pm
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Can anyone help to figure out the loads?

Chances of upgrade: OWE in Y on CX255/10JUL?

Many thanks
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Old Jul 1, 2017 | 11:55 pm
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Can I ask what success people have had clearing redemption Business (U class) for HKG-YVR? My wife and I are doing a HKG-YVR-HKG RT with the below flights:

Thu, 11/23: CX838, 1620-1145, X (Econ) confirmed, U (Biz) and T (PEY) waitlisted
Mon, 11/27: CX889, 0110-0700, U confirmed, X and T waitlisted

Any prior experience as to chances of this clearing last-minute (and when), or help checking on loads to get a sense would be very much appreciated.

On a slightly OT note, is 1.5 hours sufficient for transfer at YVR if we are going into US? We are connecting to an AA flight to DFW
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Old Jul 2, 2017 | 2:55 pm
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On the Waiting List for Premium Economy

Hi All,

So, I've enough asiamiles to redeem a return PE flight from London-HK-Cebu.
After speaking with Marco Polo, I'm currently on the PE waiting list for 2 outbound flights on 23rd Dec. My inbound seats in January are available, so I'm halfway there!

First question is: Does having the inbound seats increase the likelihood of acquiring the outbound seats and confirming the flights in full?

I also spoke with CX reservations who informed me that there are lots of seats available on PE on those two outbound flights Dec 23. However, the Marco Polo staff weren't able to tell me how the waiting list works, ie if there's a quota, etc.
I've just been told to hang tight for a month, and if I receive an email then they'll have a seat on one of my outbound flights.

Second question: What is the quota on flights awards seats, and does CX wait until very close to the departure date to release those seats?

If this has been answered previously, apologies - I haven't seen it!

Thanks
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Old Jul 2, 2017 | 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by premier_flyer
First question is: Does having the inbound seats increase the likelihood of acquiring the outbound seats and confirming the flights in full?
No relationship. Each flight seat released handled separately and what the waitlisted passengers' itineraries are are irrelevant

Originally Posted by premier_flyer
Second question: What is the quota on flights awards seats,
None when close in. It's just a matter of when

Originally Posted by premier_flyer
and does CX wait until very close to the departure date to release those seats?
13/6 PE to YVR released on 12/5 (waitlisted a month before). That flight was pretty available so pretty relevant to your case.

Update 3/7: I've a colleague waiting for HKG-LAX PE 15/8 who was cleared today, but it's the 26/8 return flight that's in demand.

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Old Jul 2, 2017 | 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by calf613
Thu, 11/23: CX838, 1620-1145, X (Econ) confirmed, U (Biz) and T (PEY) waitlisted
Mon, 11/27: CX889, 0110-0700, U confirmed, X and T waitlisted
13/6 CX888 PE: released on 12/5

13/6 CX888 F: released on 9/6

21/11/16 CX889 J: released on 15/11

10/3 CX889 F: 55 hours before departure

Current loads (both I9 E9 Q9, CX889 A4) are irrelevant for CX decision making. Too far ahead unfortunately.
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Old Jul 2, 2017 | 8:53 pm
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Thanks so much, percy! Given how close they seem to be releasing, I suppose I'll have to ticket the Y+J itinerary first (they gave me until end of July), and then keep the waitlist for J on the HKG-YVR leg subsequently.

Thanks again
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Old Jul 2, 2017 | 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by calf613
Thanks so much, percy! Given how close they seem to be releasing, I suppose I'll have to ticket the Y+J itinerary first (they gave me until end of July), and then keep the waitlist for J on the HKG-YVR leg subsequently.
CX thanks you for all the reissue fees you will be paying, which are paid on a per instance basis http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post22819023
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
No relationship. Each flight seat released handled separately and what the waitlisted passengers' itineraries are are irrelevant

None when close in. It's just a matter of when
Thanks for the insights Percysmith. My only concern is that I really don't want to risk waiting until just before the departure, and then there won't be any waitlisted seats open...

As a first timer redeeming flights reward - is being on the PE waiting lists just before Christmas a high risk of not getting a seat?
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 6:18 am
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Can someone help with tomorrow's (4/7) CX746 (BAH-[DXB]-HKG) loads?

OWS (BAEC) traveling in Y.

Thanks!

(Also how do upgrades work on multi-sector flights (Eg this one with an intermediate stop in DXB? If BAH-DXB isn't full, will they only upgrade ex-DXB pax?)
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 6:32 am
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Cx746 seems sold out in all fare classes.

Segment by segment.
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
CX thanks you for all the reissue fees you will be paying, which are paid on a per instance basis http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post22819023
I called to ask if I would have to pay a re-issue fee if I confirmed Y+J now and later issued J+J if I managed to confirm J at a later date per this. However, I tried asking (very nicely) if they would consider releasing J inventory for a DM member, which (after a brief hold) they were able to do!

Double issuance fees successfully avoided! At least this time around
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Old Jul 3, 2017 | 10:07 pm
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ORD-HKG a couple of days ago

One friend in PE (Gold) 2 others in Economy (one of them Diamond) The two in economy got upgraded to business at check-in while the person in PE got no upgrade. All checked in together
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 12:08 am
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Originally Posted by calf613
I called to ask if I would have to pay a re-issue fee if I confirmed Y+J now and later issued J+J if I managed to confirm J at a later date per this. However, I tried asking (very nicely) if they would consider releasing J inventory for a DM member, which (after a brief hold) they were able to do!

Double issuance fees successfully avoided! At least this time around
Didn't notice your status
Yes you can release seats out of revenue inventory
I also thought you guys get waived reissue fees
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by Herostratus
ORD-HKG a couple of days ago

One friend in PE (Gold) 2 others in Economy (one of them Diamond) The two in economy got upgraded to business at check-in while the person in PE got no upgrade. All checked in together
Were the two in Economy on the same booking? Would lend credence to some value in being on the same PNR as a higher status member..
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