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Old Oct 29, 2013, 4:27 am
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Is it possible to buy a (cheap) upgrade on Cathay Pacific upon check-in?

The short answer is no.

Cathay, as a general rule, does not allow you to purchase last minute upgrades if there are empty seats in Y+, J or F. The only way to upgrade a ticket is to pay the fare difference between your current ticket, and an available fare class in the higher cabins. Note that if your current ticket has restrictions (cancellation fees, non-refundable) these still apply.

There are been stories of people who have been offered cheap upgrades by Cathay, but this is more an exception than a common occurrence.


If I upgrade my ticket using asia miles, do I still earn miles?

Yes, you will earn miles for the original fare class that you booked, not the upgraded cabin.

How do I get a free upgrade / operational upgrade (op-up)?
Cathay Pacific does not upgrade passengers just because there are empty seats in higher classes. Upgrades will only occur where there is overbooking in lower classes.

The order of upgrades when required is believed to be:
  1. VIP (Heads of State, Government Bodies, or Canto Pop/Movie stars)
  2. CX Diamond Plus
  3. CX Diamond Invitation, Diamond
  4. CX Gold
  5. CX management staff on travel duty
  6. oneworld Emerald
  7. CX staff on duty nominees , other airline staff nominees, CX staff on personal travel
  8. oneworld Sapphire
  9. CX Silver
  10. oneworld Ruby
  11. CX Green
  12. Asia Miles
  13. Non status
In the event of a tiebreak being needed, generally those with lower "Boarding Numbers" will take precedence (lower BN takes priority). The earlier you check in, the lower your BN. Asking for an upgrade at check-in will not work, so don't. This is definitely one case of where "if you don't ask, you don't get", does NOT apply. The amount you paid for your ticket or the fare class of your ticket does not appear to affect your upgrade chances.


I am travelling on an award ticket. Will I still be considered for a free upgrade?

Yes - there are many stories of passengers on award tickets, or who upgraded a class using miles, getting (additional) upgrades.



What happens if the aircraft has 4 or 3 cabins, but is only selling Business and Economy seats?

It is likely if you have Marco Polo status, and to a lesser extent oneworld status, you may be able to sit in either First Class seats (if booked in J) or Premium Economy (if booked in Y) with service of the original cabin. There doesn't appear to be consistency yet as to how these semi-upgrades are allocated. Some people have been able to choose seats in the higher cabin during online check-in, or some will get them on request at check-in. However, there is no entitlement to these seats.


Will I get an upgrade on my Birthday, or for my membership anniversary, or for reaching xx number of lifetime club miles?

Please see this link for members' experience with these kinds of upgrades: Marco Polo Anniversary Upgrades


I want to use Asia Miles to upgrade a BA flight. How do I do this?

As of 22 June 2018, it is no longer possible to upgrade BA flights with Asia Miles.


How do I upgrade a CX flight using miles?

If you already have issued your original ticket:
  1. Try upgrading using Manage My Booking on the website (not always successful)
  2. If self-service doesn't work, try calling Marco Polo hotline to check availability
  3. If there is availability, you will need to issue the upgrade immediately to secure it. They may give you a few days grace before isssuing the upgrade, but this is now rarely given.
  4. In a few days, or longer if they are busy, your miles will be deducted, and you will be emailed a new e-ticket with the upgrade class details on it, and your online booking for your original booking class will disappear.

If you have not made any booking yet, and you want to check availability:
  1. Call Marco Polo club to check for availability on the flights/dates you want, or check for normal redemption availability on the website.
  2. Book a revenue ticket in the class of service for which you will be paying. Do NOT do this via the website -- call a CX telephone sales number/travel agent.
  3. Put the booking on hold.
  4. Call the Marco Polo/Asia Miles Service Center. Have them book the upgrade and give you a deadline to have the ticket issued. (It's usually about 72 hours).
  5. Have telephone sales/travel agent issue your revenue ticket.
  6. Call Marco Polo/Asia Miles back. Give them the revenue ticket number against the PNR and ask them to issue your upgrade.
  7. In about two or three days, you'll get a new ticket with the upgrade showing.

If you don't receive a new e-ticket before departure, call up Marco Polo club to double check if the upgrade has been issued.
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Old May 10, 2016, 11:35 am
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Thanks QRC3288! I was able to upgrade all my segments to business from PEY with a little last minute flexibility.

On an CX upgrade flight it looks like one gets AM at the base fare rate?
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Old May 10, 2016, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by AsiaFFlyer
On an CX upgrade flight it looks like one gets AM at the base fare rate?
Yes, you get AM based on your original booking fare class.
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Old May 13, 2016, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by AsiaFFlyer
Thanks QRC3288! I was able to upgrade all my segments to business from PEY with a little last minute flexibility.

On an CX upgrade flight it looks like one gets AM at the base fare rate?
Yes, one should get miles based on the underlying ticket class, but CX forgot about that quite often in the past (up until about two years ago). They are quite consistent in crediting correct miles now.
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Old May 24, 2016, 8:03 am
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CX238 for 27th May is showing
J3 C2 D2 I0 W0 R0 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Is this typical of an overbooked CX flight?
i've booked economy(M) class,also I'm a new MPC green member.
Will i get an upgrade bonus?

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Old May 24, 2016, 7:25 pm
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It doesn't look likely from here but in case I'm wrong can you report back please?
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Old May 24, 2016, 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith
It doesn't look likely from here but in case I'm wrong can you report back please?
From seat map it looks like W and Y is chock block full and J can process at most 8 op ups (most likely less than that). So if there are 8 W->J and Y->W then OP would have to bet that there are < 8 DM/GO/EM/SA/SL in EY.
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Old May 24, 2016, 7:53 pm
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Isn't CIV the correct tiebreaker these days?

(But status is a loose indicator of CIV)
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Old May 24, 2016, 10:19 pm
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Hi, I'm new here as well. Apologies if this question has been asked before, but I was unable to find it elsewhere.

Can you upgrade a seat using miles twice? For example can I buy an economy seat, upgrade it to premium economy using miles, and then upgrade the same seat again with miles to business class?

Asked another way, does a premium economy seat need to be a revenue ticket in order to be upgradable to business class?

Thanks
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Old May 24, 2016, 11:21 pm
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No

Yes
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Old May 24, 2016, 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Isn't CIV the correct tiebreaker these days?

(But status is a loose indicator of CIV)
Hmm CIV should be the tiebreaker within a tier (e.g. when to opup one DM over another)

And of course unlikely that a GR has a higher CIV than a DM

Anyway this is a million dollar question...
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Old May 25, 2016, 7:55 am
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No

Yes
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Old May 25, 2016, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by hrunting
Asked another way, does a premium economy seat need to be a revenue ticket in order to be upgradable to business class?
You have to purchase an upgradable revenue ticket (W or R subclass) for upgrades using Asia Miles.
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Old May 26, 2016, 3:19 pm
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Hi,

I'm very confused about the terms and conditions when upgrading a British Airways flight with Asia Miles. I see that "Mixed class and mixed carrier awards do not apply to class upgrades and companion tickets."

What happen if I book for example CDG-HND as a return ticket in premium economy. Because the segment CDG-LHR doesn't have a premium economy, so the fare class for that segment is K. However the LHR-HND and HND-LHR fare class is T (which is upgradable for british airways according to https://www.asiamiles.com/am/en/redeem/charts).

In that case is the ticket considered mixed class and cannot be upgraded? It seems a bit stupid since it's impossible to book a non mixed class on that trip.
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Old May 26, 2016, 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by milgom
Hi,

I'm very confused about the terms and conditions when upgrading a British Airways flight with Asia Miles. I see that "Mixed class and mixed carrier awards do not apply to class upgrades and companion tickets."

What happen if I book for example CDG-HND as a return ticket in premium economy. Because the segment CDG-LHR doesn't have a premium economy, so the fare class for that segment is K. However the LHR-HND and HND-LHR fare class is T (which is upgradable for british airways according to https://www.asiamiles.com/am/en/redeem/charts).

In that case is the ticket considered mixed class and cannot be upgraded? It seems a bit stupid since it's impossible to book a non mixed class on that trip.
That also applies for CX and KA own flights, not just BA. I guess they figure nobody wants to upgrade a regional or short haul to business and pay for the economy to business upgrade for the entire region/short haul + long haul journey anyway. Or they feel it is too complicated to publish a chart for it.

Anyway, I think K on BA is not upgradable.
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Old May 26, 2016, 5:54 pm
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Thanks cxfan1960 for your reply. Yes but in that case would the T segments (LHR-HND) be upgradable or would they not be upgradable because the entire flight is mixed class?

If those two segments are upgradable then I'm already more than happy enough. Having economy on the first short haul flights is not a problem.

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