New Destinations for CX
Jun 9, 2011, 10:39 am
#16
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,978
I'm actually quite surprised that neither Hong Kong nor Macau have direct flights to Vegas for a bunch of reasons:
1. Last time I went to Vegas, most of the dealers I saw and heard around Fremont Street were Cantonese speakers which means that at least some have a connection to southern China and probably make the odd trip from time to time.
2. There must be demand from the casinos themselves to move staff around.
3. Mainlanders who come down to gamble in Macau might also want to go on a North American gambling binge.
4. Chinese people, in general and stereotypically, love to gamble.
1. Last time I went to Vegas, most of the dealers I saw and heard around Fremont Street were Cantonese speakers which means that at least some have a connection to southern China and probably make the odd trip from time to time.
2. There must be demand from the casinos themselves to move staff around.
3. Mainlanders who come down to gamble in Macau might also want to go on a North American gambling binge.
4. Chinese people, in general and stereotypically, love to gamble.
Plus it's so much easier to get a... ahem.... "happy ending" in Macau that won't cost an arm or a leg as they are in Vegas.
Jun 10, 2011, 12:13 am
#17
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Programs: CX Silver, QFF Bronze, Mabuhay Miles
Posts: 571
The thread is going downhill. Macau is the #1 gambling city and Singapore is about to outtake Las Vegas as #2. Las Vegas is losing a lot of Asian gamblers as Macau is becoming "first-rate" in its casino facilities. It used to be if you want to gamble with blue-collar you go to Macau, and if you want to do it with style you go to Vegas. Now Macau is the hottest gambling city in the world.
Plus it's so much easier to get a... ahem.... "happy ending" in Macau that won't cost an arm or a leg as they are in Vegas.
Plus it's so much easier to get a... ahem.... "happy ending" in Macau that won't cost an arm or a leg as they are in Vegas.
Going to Vegas is much more than just gambling for most people - it is a fun place to be and enjoy a vacation. One of the reasons I haven't been back in a while is because of having to transit at LAX, as it take up time and it can be a pain of a place to be.
It is hard to comprehend that Singapore with only two casinos can have more gambling revenue then Vegas. An interesting article is here
Macau's gambling is about as entertaining as a going to the dentist, unless you pick the right table or have some regular friends to be with. The gambling is taken way too seriously in Macau.
Jun 10, 2011, 2:44 am
#18
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 768
I would love a direct HKG-LAS flight. Or even HKG-LAS-JFK.
Going to Vegas is much more than just gambling for most people - it is a fun place to be and enjoy a vacation. One of the reasons I haven't been back in a while is because of having to transit at LAX, as it take up time and it can be a pain of a place to be.
It is hard to comprehend that Singapore with only two casinos can have more gambling revenue then Vegas. An interesting article is here
Macau's gambling is about as entertaining as a going to the dentist, unless you pick the right table or have some regular friends to be with. The gambling is taken way too seriously in Macau.
Going to Vegas is much more than just gambling for most people - it is a fun place to be and enjoy a vacation. One of the reasons I haven't been back in a while is because of having to transit at LAX, as it take up time and it can be a pain of a place to be.
It is hard to comprehend that Singapore with only two casinos can have more gambling revenue then Vegas. An interesting article is here
Macau's gambling is about as entertaining as a going to the dentist, unless you pick the right table or have some regular friends to be with. The gambling is taken way too seriously in Macau.
Thread has gone off-topic now.
Jun 10, 2011, 3:39 am
#19
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 142
Will CX start doing some flights down to South America(Brazil, Argentina etc.) via some European cities just like what SQ is doing?
*jokes*
Jun 10, 2011, 8:49 am
#23
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: USA
Programs: DL SkyMiles
Posts: 267
If you want a technical analysis:
If CX wanted to fly to South America (GRU, SCL, EZE, GIG) via Australia/New Zealand (new revenue opportunities) it WILL HAVE TO DO SO WITH 4 ENGINE AIRCRAFT PERIOD UNLESS BOEING/AIRBUS SOLVE THE ETOPS ISSUES!
The reason LAN (Latin America's premier airline) still has 5x A343E's in their fleet is to do the South America/Oceania crossing running SCL-AKL-SYD and in the future possibly with LATAM GRU/GIG/EZE-AKL-SYD and/or GRU/GIG-EZE-SYD.
There is simply a lack of diversion airports in the south pacific and there is a ~2000km stretch there.
You need to divert to Easter Island by flying north, in fact LAN flies 1x weekly PPT (Tahiti)-IPC (Easter Island)-SCL (Santiago) with the 763.
In order for Cathay's 777-300ER to fly AKL-GRU/SCL/GIG/EZE (which can already be reached via Auckland/Sydney via existing ONEWORLD code-shares via the South Pacific) they would have to do a ETOPS de-tour over the south pacific between New Zealand and South America by flying their 77W NORTH near Easter Island, Tahiti and finally the West Coast of South America Santiago. This is hugely fuel-burn prohibitive and the REASON LAN (and for business travelers from South America) flies Santiago (West coast of South America, HIGHEST PAYLOAD for Cargo)-Auckland in a great circle elliptical curve. This is the MOST EFFICIENT route like HKG-JFK polar routing (now we are talking about South Pacific ocean polar routing from Australia/New Zealand to Latin America).
Qantas flies SYD-EZE 3x/weekly on the 744 (4-engines).
Actually CX has the A343 in their fleet.
Their pilots should GET THE SOUTH PACIFIC AIRSPACE ROUTINGS FROM THEIR ONEWORLD PARTNER LAN AND START FLYING AKL-GRU!.
Actually HKG-AKL-GRU would be profitable and the A343 is *PERFECT* in CX's fleet because:
1. It has 4-engines to do the Australia/New Zealand to South America crossing.
2. It has the lowest fuel-burn of ANY 4-engine aircraft.
You can also fly via South Africa (JNB/CPT) but that wouldn't be as profitable but this CAN BE DONE FULL-PAYLOAD on a 777-300ER (there is full ETOPS in the South Atlantic, makes it +10/15 minutes at most).
This is how Emirates does DXB-GRU and GIG in the future.
Via Europe there is too much competition.
You can also fly 20+ hours longer via Dubai or JFK (New York) where AA's mega-hub allows connections to all Deep South America countries.
Here you go:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AKL-GRU...E&MS=wls&DU=km
Here's a pic of LAN800/801 which runs SCL-AKL-SYD 6x weekly (use to be daily but the oil price...).
In fact there is the CX code on LAN's AKL-SCL portion of the South Pacific crossing with connections in SCL to EVERY SINGLE DESTINATION IN SOUTH AMERICA.
Which is pretty cool.
Here's a flight map:
THE REASON SIA flies the other way around is because it's the ONLY way they can do it.
SIA is SHORT ON 4-ENGINE aircraft.
Yes SIA's A345 can do SYD-GRU on FULL PAYLOAD but they want the 77W so they fly SIN-BCN-GRU via Europe.
SO CX South America:
4-holder A343 via Auckland or...
77W via Europe?
Or 77W via South Africa (not as profitable!)
Your choice.
We welcome CX to the 6 continent club.
The traffic is growing MASSIVELY on the South Pacific route.
In fact LAN's 787's is working with Boeing to figure out this ETOPS problem for their SCL-AKL crossing.
If CX wanted to fly to South America (GRU, SCL, EZE, GIG) via Australia/New Zealand (new revenue opportunities) it WILL HAVE TO DO SO WITH 4 ENGINE AIRCRAFT PERIOD UNLESS BOEING/AIRBUS SOLVE THE ETOPS ISSUES!
The reason LAN (Latin America's premier airline) still has 5x A343E's in their fleet is to do the South America/Oceania crossing running SCL-AKL-SYD and in the future possibly with LATAM GRU/GIG/EZE-AKL-SYD and/or GRU/GIG-EZE-SYD.
There is simply a lack of diversion airports in the south pacific and there is a ~2000km stretch there.
You need to divert to Easter Island by flying north, in fact LAN flies 1x weekly PPT (Tahiti)-IPC (Easter Island)-SCL (Santiago) with the 763.
In order for Cathay's 777-300ER to fly AKL-GRU/SCL/GIG/EZE (which can already be reached via Auckland/Sydney via existing ONEWORLD code-shares via the South Pacific) they would have to do a ETOPS de-tour over the south pacific between New Zealand and South America by flying their 77W NORTH near Easter Island, Tahiti and finally the West Coast of South America Santiago. This is hugely fuel-burn prohibitive and the REASON LAN (and for business travelers from South America) flies Santiago (West coast of South America, HIGHEST PAYLOAD for Cargo)-Auckland in a great circle elliptical curve. This is the MOST EFFICIENT route like HKG-JFK polar routing (now we are talking about South Pacific ocean polar routing from Australia/New Zealand to Latin America).
Qantas flies SYD-EZE 3x/weekly on the 744 (4-engines).
Actually CX has the A343 in their fleet.
Their pilots should GET THE SOUTH PACIFIC AIRSPACE ROUTINGS FROM THEIR ONEWORLD PARTNER LAN AND START FLYING AKL-GRU!.
Actually HKG-AKL-GRU would be profitable and the A343 is *PERFECT* in CX's fleet because:
1. It has 4-engines to do the Australia/New Zealand to South America crossing.
2. It has the lowest fuel-burn of ANY 4-engine aircraft.
You can also fly via South Africa (JNB/CPT) but that wouldn't be as profitable but this CAN BE DONE FULL-PAYLOAD on a 777-300ER (there is full ETOPS in the South Atlantic, makes it +10/15 minutes at most).
This is how Emirates does DXB-GRU and GIG in the future.
Via Europe there is too much competition.
You can also fly 20+ hours longer via Dubai or JFK (New York) where AA's mega-hub allows connections to all Deep South America countries.
Here you go:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AKL-GRU...E&MS=wls&DU=km
Here's a pic of LAN800/801 which runs SCL-AKL-SYD 6x weekly (use to be daily but the oil price...).
In fact there is the CX code on LAN's AKL-SCL portion of the South Pacific crossing with connections in SCL to EVERY SINGLE DESTINATION IN SOUTH AMERICA.
Which is pretty cool.
Here's a flight map:
THE REASON SIA flies the other way around is because it's the ONLY way they can do it.
SIA is SHORT ON 4-ENGINE aircraft.
Yes SIA's A345 can do SYD-GRU on FULL PAYLOAD but they want the 77W so they fly SIN-BCN-GRU via Europe.
SO CX South America:
4-holder A343 via Auckland or...
77W via Europe?
Or 77W via South Africa (not as profitable!)
Your choice.
We welcome CX to the 6 continent club.
The traffic is growing MASSIVELY on the South Pacific route.
In fact LAN's 787's is working with Boeing to figure out this ETOPS problem for their SCL-AKL crossing.
Jun 10, 2011, 9:40 am
#24
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 768
Thanks for the analysis.
I would personally still like to see the Europe route
.
best in this sense might be a CX HKG-MAD route and link to Iberia connections into LatAm. Else they need to find a city pair that hasn't much traffic. AMS has 1 daily GRU and will get GIG en EZE. they could fill the gap with 3 weekly GIG and EZE while KL ramps up frequency. LHR, CDG and FRA have more flights with carriers from both sides operating multiple frequencies.
I would personally still like to see the Europe route
. best in this sense might be a CX HKG-MAD route and link to Iberia connections into LatAm. Else they need to find a city pair that hasn't much traffic. AMS has 1 daily GRU and will get GIG en EZE. they could fill the gap with 3 weekly GIG and EZE while KL ramps up frequency. LHR, CDG and FRA have more flights with carriers from both sides operating multiple frequencies.
Jun 10, 2011, 7:26 pm
#25
Join Date: May 2001
Location: YVR
Posts: 3,918
CX is planning for S12 and W12, and there are at least over 30 markets they're looking at. Not all will be launched.
The ones that doesn't look like priorities is on the list.
The ones people think it will happen for obvious reason is not on the list.
The ones that doesn't look like priorities is on the list.
The ones people think it will happen for obvious reason is not on the list.
Jun 11, 2011, 2:50 am
#26
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 768
Care to share some more details? perhaps not the order of the list (although it would be nice) but at least the markets they're looking into?
Jun 11, 2011, 3:50 am
#27
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: LONDON
Programs: CX DM, BA G4L, QR PLT, EK PLT, Hyatt CourtesyC, HH DM, SQ PPS, BonvoyTit, UK, VS, UA, DL, AA
Posts: 1,715
A humble wish / dream.... MAA-HKG daily, or at least 1,3,5,6,7 (one more weekday flight)...
A less realistic dream -MAA-HKG daily on a 33E, ok fine 33B... anything but an overnight on those awful 330'S.
A less realistic dream -MAA-HKG daily on a 33E, ok fine 33B... anything but an overnight on those awful 330'S.
Jun 11, 2011, 4:17 am
#28
Join Date: May 2001
Location: YVR
Posts: 3,918
Plus, forget those technical analysis and the potential ETOPS issues here since new generation aircraft including B787 and Airbus A350XWB are 2-engines and the ETOPS restriction will certainly be solved.
Last edited by jimyvr; Jun 11, 2011 at 6:42 am
Jun 11, 2011, 7:56 am
#29
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,477
2-4 cities in China (with resumed service and new destination)
1-2 potential destinations in Asia Pacific
1-2 new destinations in North America
2-3 new or resumed destinations in Europe
1 possible for Africa
Jun 11, 2011, 8:13 am
#30
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: AA EXP CXDM, Bonvoy Gold, WOH Globalist, HHonors Diamond, Amex Cent
Posts: 98
Still dreaming of HNL