Some suggestions to CX
Oct 15, 2010 | 3:11 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Green
Posts: 877
Some suggestions to CX
CX has now code-shared with JL for all HKG-Japan routes, as well as some Japan domestic routes.
Can the same idea to be used to establish code-sharing with BA for HKG-LHR & UK domestic routes, as well as QF for HKG-Australia & Australia domestic routes?
This can improve the relationship among CX, BA, QF and this helps to expand HKG as an alternative stopping point for Kangaroo Route other than SIN, BKK.
Can the same idea to be used to establish code-sharing with BA for HKG-LHR & UK domestic routes, as well as QF for HKG-Australia & Australia domestic routes?
This can improve the relationship among CX, BA, QF and this helps to expand HKG as an alternative stopping point for Kangaroo Route other than SIN, BKK.
Oct 15, 2010 | 3:52 am
#3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Programs: Confirmed
Posts: 1,097
This brings anti-competition issue.
oneworld currently dominates LHR-HKG - BA CX QF operates over 80% of the capacity but individually so they are still competeting (to a less degree tho).
British authorities wouldn't be able to justify such approval - it will damage customer's interests.
When CA CX KA codeshared all PEK-HKG routes, economy fare went rocket high and never came down.
oneworld currently dominates LHR-HKG - BA CX QF operates over 80% of the capacity but individually so they are still competeting (to a less degree tho).
British authorities wouldn't be able to justify such approval - it will damage customer's interests.
When CA CX KA codeshared all PEK-HKG routes, economy fare went rocket high and never came down.
Oct 15, 2010 | 7:47 am
#6
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Europe's World City
Programs: OWE, Hilton GOLD and counting
Posts: 1,113
On any given day of the HKG-LHR non-stop market. There are:
CX 4 B744
BA 2 B744
QF 1 B744
So oneworld: 7 B744 daily
NZ 1 B744
VS 1 A346
So let us call it 2 B744 daily (or 1.76 B744 if you want to be more prescisely) for non oneworld
Which means oneworld has at least 78% market share on this route (by counting the available seats oneworld would top at least 82%). And you do not think this is dominant position?
Oct 15, 2010 | 9:16 am
#8
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Green
Posts: 877
But how about HKG-Australia routes? i think CX have to provide code-sharing with QF, so as to:
1. provide new routes under QF's code, like HKG-ADL, HKG-CNS.
2. compete with VS for HKG-SYD route.
3. provide CX an opportunity to do code-sharing for Australia domestic routes.
1. provide new routes under QF's code, like HKG-ADL, HKG-CNS.
2. compete with VS for HKG-SYD route.
3. provide CX an opportunity to do code-sharing for Australia domestic routes.
Oct 15, 2010 | 7:41 pm
#9
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: country Western Australia
Programs: QF WP(LTS) - AA LTG(1MM)
Posts: 2,857
I don't see CX and QF codeshares anytime soon.
HKG-PER is weekly 3x QF and 10x CX ( soon as I think as the OW scheduler is strange at the moment) and the only concession QF has made is they permit routing via SIN for the same fare with a CX coded (not QF code on CX metal) SIN-HKG.
Same for QF on the PER-NRT route (no QF code on JL metal SIN-NRT) though interestingly JL does have a codeshare PER-SIN on the QF flights.
Still seems QF management has forgotten PER exists.
Fred
HKG-PER is weekly 3x QF and 10x CX ( soon as I think as the OW scheduler is strange at the moment) and the only concession QF has made is they permit routing via SIN for the same fare with a CX coded (not QF code on CX metal) SIN-HKG.
Same for QF on the PER-NRT route (no QF code on JL metal SIN-NRT) though interestingly JL does have a codeshare PER-SIN on the QF flights.
Still seems QF management has forgotten PER exists.
Fred
Oct 16, 2010 | 12:16 am
#10
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 13,144
Oct 16, 2010 | 12:29 pm
#11
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Europe's World City
Programs: OWE, Hilton GOLD and counting
Posts: 1,113
2008 you can find fares at 420 for non-stop
2009 it rised to 450 then further 480 after BA cancelled one flight
2010 it has been above 480 all the time and look out for 2011 is around 520-560.
Should VS put another flight online I think BA will response. And then there will be lower fares to HKG.