Complaints about Customs
#137

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: YUL
Programs: AC SE
Posts: 2,103
Interesting story:
This goes back to the late 1980's. A friend of a friend who had just graduated from university was claiming UI. While on UI, he took a trip to the states (vacation, florida, etc). Naturally he filled out a customs card upon return. Well guess what - UI finds out about the vacation and claws back some UI. How did UI know? The only answer was the customs card.
This goes back to the late 1980's. A friend of a friend who had just graduated from university was claiming UI. While on UI, he took a trip to the states (vacation, florida, etc). Naturally he filled out a customs card upon return. Well guess what - UI finds out about the vacation and claws back some UI. How did UI know? The only answer was the customs card.
That's one of the main uses of keeping the cards - to find EI cheats.
And for those of you Nexus people - sure it's all nice and cozy that you can sail through US customs. But just remember that some US lawyer in Seattle was put through the meat grinder a few years ago because someone found his fingerprints on one of the bags in the Spain train bombing. I don't need my fingerprints in some US database, waiting for a false-positive match to royally screw up my life.
#138
Join Date: Oct 2005
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There is always DNA if all fails. :PSanosuke!
#139




Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: YYZ/YOW
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So clearly, "the other" would call the ports of entry into the EU/US not diligent and not sensible?
Simon
#140
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 97
And, yes, I've been to many places in the world I would call far from diligent.
#141
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
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Interesting story:
This goes back to the late 1980's. A friend of a friend who had just graduated from university was claiming UI. While on UI, he took a trip to the states (vacation, florida, etc). Naturally he filled out a customs card upon return. Well guess what - UI finds out about the vacation and claws back some UI. How did UI know? The only answer was the customs card.
This goes back to the late 1980's. A friend of a friend who had just graduated from university was claiming UI. While on UI, he took a trip to the states (vacation, florida, etc). Naturally he filled out a customs card upon return. Well guess what - UI finds out about the vacation and claws back some UI. How did UI know? The only answer was the customs card.
From http://www.infosource.gc.ca/inst/csd/fed07_e.asp
Returning Canadian Resident Program (RCRP) (ISB)
Description: A detection program which compares data from the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and EI Claim information.
Class of Individuals: EI claimant
Purpose: To administer the EI Act, to detect claimants who have neglected to report their absence from Canada.
Consistent Uses: Information used for the ICCM, which produces a number of monthly operational and managerial reports beneficial to the operations of the Directorate.
Retention and Disposal Standards: Destroy records 2 years after receipt based on MOU with the Canada Revenue Agency if there is no investigation pending. Records used for investigations are retained for up to 5 years and then destroyed.
RDA Number: TBD
Related PR#: HRSDC ISB 051
TBS Registration: 004165
Bank Number: HRSDC PPU 120
Description: A detection program which compares data from the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and EI Claim information.
Class of Individuals: EI claimant
Purpose: To administer the EI Act, to detect claimants who have neglected to report their absence from Canada.
Consistent Uses: Information used for the ICCM, which produces a number of monthly operational and managerial reports beneficial to the operations of the Directorate.
Retention and Disposal Standards: Destroy records 2 years after receipt based on MOU with the Canada Revenue Agency if there is no investigation pending. Records used for investigations are retained for up to 5 years and then destroyed.
RDA Number: TBD
Related PR#: HRSDC ISB 051
TBS Registration: 004165
Bank Number: HRSDC PPU 120
#142
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 97
Food question:
- a prohibition on some items (soil, roots, etc) is one thing. Can someone explain the (environmental or agricultural) harm that could possibly be caused by any form of meat product?
General questions:
- I've encountered a situation once or twice (bording a plane to AMS for example) where there are CBS people on the jetway. Does CBS have the legal authority to force Canadian citizens to submit to an interview upon DEPARTURE FROM CANADA ???
Other stuff:
It's one reason why the motivation was so high to tazer that Polish guy in Vancouver. I bet they thought they were nabbing the next Mohammed Atta.
- a prohibition on some items (soil, roots, etc) is one thing. Can someone explain the (environmental or agricultural) harm that could possibly be caused by any form of meat product?
General questions:
- I've encountered a situation once or twice (bording a plane to AMS for example) where there are CBS people on the jetway. Does CBS have the legal authority to force Canadian citizens to submit to an interview upon DEPARTURE FROM CANADA ???
Other stuff:
It's one reason why the motivation was so high to tazer that Polish guy in Vancouver. I bet they thought they were nabbing the next Mohammed Atta.
About CBSA authority upon departure: We do have pretty much the same authority departing as arriving. Of course, there are no exit controls for most people in Canada. The one exception I can think of are inadmissible foreign nationals admitted under a temporary resident permit, which may include the condition of confirming their departure. From a Customs point of view, the main use of this authority is the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act as well as strategic export control.
The comment about the taser incident is just plain ignorant. Reports regarding this incident are now public. Review them if you get a chance.
#144
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE100K, HH G
Posts: 2,454
US immigration, though, at least as a Canadian citizen, has been far less pleasant in my experience. I usually have the feeling that I am being treated guilty until proven innocent, and I generally do not dare make any comments other than 100% factual answers to the questions. The displeasure of answering US immigration questions was, in fact, the prime motivator for me to finally apply for the Nexus card (still in progress).
Overall, my CBSA experience is definitely on par with countries like UK, Australia, New Zealand and Japan, and far better than the US. However, there are definitely fewer questions being asked at EU Schengen countries -- at least of those of us with Canadian passports. And no customs forms needed for EU!
#145
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: YYZ
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Posts: 2,454
Haven't had any issues with the student staff, either. Would be happy to have permanent agents, though -- as long that does not mean fewer agents available! The line-ups are already slow enough when a 747 or two empties out (though admittedly not as slow as YYZ luggage handling).
#146




Join Date: Dec 2002
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Is it "policy" to be rude and unfriendly, as many FT members have noted?
Is it "policy" to be unwelcoming to Canadian citizens?
Is it "policy" to ask questions that have nothing to do with whether the person has any goods they should not, or is not a Canadian citizen?
I see. The USA, UK, France, Netherlands, Russia, etc. would be some of those?
Simon
Is it "policy" to be unwelcoming to Canadian citizens?
Is it "policy" to ask questions that have nothing to do with whether the person has any goods they should not, or is not a Canadian citizen?
And, yes, I've been to many places in the world I would call far from diligent.
Simon
#147
Join Date: May 2003
Programs: NZ Silver, AC SE100K, Westjet, Marriott, Global Entry
Posts: 6,868
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBSAguy
Fair enough, but about the kevlar vests, I only wears 'em cuz that's what they gives me to wear. Trust me, I'd much rather not.
That reply confirms you as a troll.
Originally Posted by CBSAguy
Fair enough, but about the kevlar vests, I only wears 'em cuz that's what they gives me to wear. Trust me, I'd much rather not.
That reply confirms you as a troll.
Zedhead, if you had ever spent an 8-12 hour shift wearing a vest, you would then know that no one actually likes wearing them. They are hot, heavy and cumbersome.
Personally, I think the primary CBSA members look foolish wearing them in the arrivals are of an airport where the arriving people have all had close to cavity checks prior to arriving on their respective flights, however I also know they are not given the choice to wear the vest or not.
Like Simon I do not like the line of questioning that one endures when entering Canada as one's home country. I think some of the questions are too personal to most of us. However I also know the questioning is effective in outing certain people with certain things they shouldn't have. What I don't like is the perception given by CBSA that we are all bad until proven otherwise by our answers to the personal questions. A CBSA member has sweeping powers of search and seizure, far more than the police, they do not need "grounds", they are our frontline security protecting our borders.
Rather than blame the CBSA member you meet, one should blame the employer. It is the employer who is pushing the questioning line.
The US is reknowned (sp) for tough and miserable border people, I have found them to be nothing short of pleasantd and unintrusive. Why does CBSA management insist on being so much more personal and intrusive to it's fellow citizens, than it's southern neighbours, of whom we are guests.
Thank you CBSAguy for joining FT, you will be a great asset in answering many questions and clearing up misconceptions. You will need a mental kevlar vest to deflect much of the flak you will receive here.
#148
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Posts: 2,454
#149




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: YYZ
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Posts: 165
CBSA members have to wear the vests. They have a militant union that pushes for such things as well as an employer that pushes officer safety.
Zedhead, if you had ever spent an 8-12 hour shift wearing a vest, you would then know that no one actually likes wearing them. They are hot, heavy and cumbersome.
Personally, I think the primary CBSA members look foolish wearing them in the arrivals are of an airport where the arriving people have all had close to cavity checks prior to arriving on their respective flights, however I also know they are not given the choice to wear the vest or not.
Like Simon I do not like the line of questioning that one endures when entering Canada as one's home country. I think some of the questions are too personal to most of us. However I also know the questioning is effective in outing certain people with certain things they shouldn't have. What I don't like is the perception given by CBSA that we are all bad until proven otherwise by our answers to the personal questions. A CBSA member has sweeping powers of search and seizure, far more than the police, they do not need "grounds", they are our frontline security protecting our borders.
Rather than blame the CBSA member you meet, one should blame the employer. It is the employer who is pushing the questioning line.
The US is reknowned (sp) for tough and miserable border people, I have found them to be nothing short of pleasantd and unintrusive. Why does CBSA management insist on being so much more personal and intrusive to it's fellow citizens, than it's southern neighbours, of whom we are guests.
Thank you CBSAguy for joining FT, you will be a great asset in answering many questions and clearing up misconceptions. You will need a mental kevlar vest to deflect much of the flak you will receive here.
Zedhead, if you had ever spent an 8-12 hour shift wearing a vest, you would then know that no one actually likes wearing them. They are hot, heavy and cumbersome.
Personally, I think the primary CBSA members look foolish wearing them in the arrivals are of an airport where the arriving people have all had close to cavity checks prior to arriving on their respective flights, however I also know they are not given the choice to wear the vest or not.
Like Simon I do not like the line of questioning that one endures when entering Canada as one's home country. I think some of the questions are too personal to most of us. However I also know the questioning is effective in outing certain people with certain things they shouldn't have. What I don't like is the perception given by CBSA that we are all bad until proven otherwise by our answers to the personal questions. A CBSA member has sweeping powers of search and seizure, far more than the police, they do not need "grounds", they are our frontline security protecting our borders.
Rather than blame the CBSA member you meet, one should blame the employer. It is the employer who is pushing the questioning line.
The US is reknowned (sp) for tough and miserable border people, I have found them to be nothing short of pleasantd and unintrusive. Why does CBSA management insist on being so much more personal and intrusive to it's fellow citizens, than it's southern neighbours, of whom we are guests.
Thank you CBSAguy for joining FT, you will be a great asset in answering many questions and clearing up misconceptions. You will need a mental kevlar vest to deflect much of the flak you will receive here.
I'd rather the CBSA spend taxpayer money on protective vests then relying on airport screeners from Lahore, Pakistan. A direct flight to terminal 3.
#150
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 470
About CBSA authority upon departure: We do have pretty much the same authority departing as arriving. Of course, there are no exit controls for most people in Canada. From a Customs point of view, the main use of this authority is the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act as well as strategic export control.
Assuming that a Canadian Citizen is not in violation of the $10K rule, does CBS have the legal grounds to prevent the person from departing?
I could be wrong, but I don't recall being asked about the $10k thing when entering or departing any European country. Do they not have a similar rule?

